New rules and regulations for nannies in Canada took effect April 1st, 2011.

In case you were not aware, there are new rules and regulations governing live-in caregivers and temporary foreign workers in Canada – with a twist, as these rules also target the people who sponsor them in Canada and those who hire them.

These new rules clearly outline the government’s agenda going forward – after tightening the rules for the caregivers last year – the focus this year is on the families who sponsor, bring over to Canada and hire through the live-in caregiver program.

Effective April 1, 2011, the government will apply a more rigorous assessment of jobs for foreign workers to ensure that offers are legitimate to consider whether employers have followed the rules in the past before they can hire a nanny or temporary foreign worker. A bad track record could lead to a denial of the necessary permits to hire foreign workers.

Employers who fail to meet their commitments to workers with respect to wages and working conditions will face a two-year prohibition on hiring foreign workers.

There will also be a four-year limit on the amount of time a foreign worker can be employed in Canada. Once that limit is reached, the workers must return home and wait four years before they can work in Canada again.

That limit does not affect eligibility for permanent residence.

“The government is taking action to protect temporary foreign workers, including live-in caregivers, from potential abuse and exploitation,” explained immigration minister Jason Kenney.

The exploitation of the live-in caregiver program led to a first round of changes that took effect in April 2010 and mandated that employment contracts must spell out wages, benefits, accommodation, duties, hours of work and holiday and sick leave entitlements.

Those changes also added some flexibility to the amount of time given to live-in caregivers or nannies to meet the requirements needed for permanent residence status.

Under the law, caregivers can apply for permanent status after two years of regular full-time employment. With the changes, that time frame can be sped up if the person works a lot of overtime or can be extended if they work less than full-time hours or need time off because of illness or factors.

Once the two years are completed – and al the payroll made to the CRA, nannies can expect to wat up to 10 months for their permanent resident status.

So here is what you can expect to be asked if the government suspects you are doing something illegal;

They will ask for receipts to see if you paid for the flight to bring the nanny over. Failure to do so will put you on the unable to sponsor list.

Sponsoring then releasing nannies once in Canada is also a no-no.

Not having the correct paperwork – not signed contract, or failing to remit to the CRA monthly is a definite no-no.

Abusing their rights – making them work longer than allowed hours – refusing to let them have free time to go out or relax – if reported is a bad move, and yes there are some people who think a live-in caregiver is on call 24/7. So NOT true. They work regularly scheduled hours and must be paid overtime if those hours are exceeded.

And on the nannies side, failure to live-in when in Canada through the live-in caregiver program can result in them not being allowed to apply for permanent residency.

So play it safe, be respectful, and good luck.  Here is the link to the new requirements;

http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/workplaceskills/foreign_workers/lcp_irpr.shtml

In addition to the standard requirements to apply for a labour market opinion (LMO) under the Live-in Caregiver Program (LCP), Human Resources and Skills Development Canada (HRSDC)/Service Canada will also evaluate the following criteria starting April 1, 2011:

  1. All employers hiring a live-in caregiver must use the new LMO application form specific to the LCP and provide:
    • the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) business number
    • an explanation of how hiring a temporary foreign worker (TFW) meets the employment needs of the employer; and
    • a signed statement attesting that the employer will abide by the LCP requirements.

    In addition to the above mentioned requirements, the following documentation must now be submitted along with the new LMO application:

    • Proof of age or disability for the person requiring care:
      • Child – long-form birth certificate or official adoption documents or medical doctor’s note confirming the pregnancy and due date of the child. The parents must submit a long form birth certificate after the child’s birth. Failure to do so may result in a refusal by Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) to issue a work permit. If these are not available, any other official document issued by a government authority demonstrating the child to parent relationship (e.g. original birth certificate for children born abroad translated into English or French).
      • Senior – birth certificate, Old Age Security Identification Card, passport or any other official documents showing the date of birth of the senior requiring care.
      • Disabled person – medical certificate – (PDF 27KB)stating that the disabled person requires care (but not the nature of disability).
    • detailed description – (PDF 38KB) of the private accommodations provided to the live-in caregiver.
    • An Option C-printout that any taxpayer can obtain from the CRA by calling 1-800-959-8281. The Option C-printout provides information on declared income from a variety of sources. In exceptional cases where the person is not required to submit taxes in Canada, the employer can submit: paystubs, bank statements, the employer- employee contract or any other official documents proving that the employer has the income necessary to pay the live-in caregiver.

    Employers may also be required to provide, if requested by HRSDC/Service Canada, a provincial workers compensation clearance letter or other appropriate provincial documentation.

  2. The genuineness of the job offer made to the live-in caregiver will be assessed based on whether the employer:
    • demonstrates a reasonable need for a full-time live-in caregiver to provide child care, elder care or care for a disabled person;
    • can provide adequate, private accommodations to the live-in caregiver;
    • has sufficient financial resources to pay the live-in caregiver.
    • the employer, or the third party representative who recruited the live-in caregiver on behalf of the employer, must be compliant with the relevant federal-provincial/territorial employment and recruitment legislation.
  3. All returning employers must demonstrate that they have met the terms and conditions of employment set out in previous LMO confirmation letters and annexes (if applicable). In addition, some employers may be required to submit documentation to support a more detailed employer compliance review, including any or all of the following documents:
    • payroll records;
    • time sheets;
    • job descriptions;
    • copies of the employer-employee contract;
    • receipts for private health insurance (if applicable);
    • provincial workers compensation clearance letter or other appropriate provincial documentation;
    • receipts for transportation costs; and
    • information about accommodations provided by the employer.

    If it appears that the employer did not fully uphold the terms and conditions of employment set out in the LMO confirmation letter and annex (if applicable), the employer will have the opportunity to provide a rationale. In this case, HRSDC/Service Canada will work with the employer to implement the appropriate corrective action, which may include providing compensation to the live-in caregiver. Employers may be found non-compliant if they refuse to provide a rationale and/or provide only partial compensation to the live-in caregiver.

    If the employer is found to be non-compliant:

    • HRSDC/Service Canada may issue a negative LMO and revoke all positions on confirmed LMOs for which work permits have not yet been issued by CIC
    • CIC may deem the employer ineligible to hire TFWs for two years. The employer’s name, address and period of ineligibility may also be published on a list of ineligible employers posted on CIC Web site.

So in a nutshell, it is going to be that much more difficult to hire a live-in caregiver on your own.  Spend the money and go through a registered agency and make sure you have everything you need, or prepare to be banned.

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208 comments

  1. I wonder how they will actually monitor how nannies are treated. It’s appalling how some people treat their nannies. Many people expect their nannies to work a ridiculous number of hours each week and they don’t even pay them overtime.

  2. I agree with you, and I think all it takes is one employee complaint and the employer is on thier way to being barred from sponsoring / hiring for 2 years.

  3. The flip side is that there are plenty of foreign caregivers/nannies also exploiting Canadian families. New changes implemented before these in April 2010 require now the family to pay for all recruitment fees, airfare, temp. medical but the kicker is that the foreign nanny has no obligation to stay with the family once she arrives in Canada. No commitment needed from the nanny which leaves many Canadian families in very stressful situations after waiting up to one year for their foreign caregiver. Exploitation is not only one sided.

  4. Elaine,

    Right you are! I guess at the time I was only looking at the side that impacts me the most, that being the tightening of rules making it harder to sponsor and bring over a nanny. I have yet to have a problem with one leaving before her time, and I cannot imagine how I would feel if I sent a year, and all that cash to sponsor a foreign caregiver only to have them leave upon arrival.

    It does seem rather one-sided now.

    Has this happened to you, or someone you know? I’d love to hear more about it.

  5. This whole thing does not protect the employers. There are many nannies taking advantage of free airfare. Also, elderly who needs help but can not show much income on paper also gets decline. It is very sad.

  6. Hi Anna,

    By “Financial cut” are you referring to the total costs of hiring a foreign worker through the Canadian Live in Caregiver program, or are you looking for some direction on hiring a foreign worker to work in Canada in a specific job?

  7. Hi! By Financial cut off, I am referring to the total income as a employer need to meet or the criteria in hiring a foreign worker under the Live-in Caregiver Program. Thanks

  8. I have seen so many cases where lot’s of people especially immigrants are scamming. They are trying to bring their families to Canada trough being live in caregiver. After the Nanny that the meant to hire arrived in Canada then they will find another employer for her.
    One of my friend brought so many people just scamming the immigration big time.

  9. Hi Losi,

    I know about them too, but I also know about many employers and employees who go through the live-in caregiver program to the letter of the law. I think those who take advantage and get caught are now punished strong enough for it to become a deterrent. Being sent home with a waiting period before reapplying is a strong penalty, and I think the CRA is evening out the playing field by being clear on how they will punish the worker and the employer for taking advantage on a going forward basis.

  10. Hello,
    I was hoping you could give me some advice. I am looking for a live in care giver and received a call from a girl who just arrived in Canada looking for employment as a live in. I asked her whathappened to the employer that sponsered her? She said she hired someone else but picked her up from the airport and drove her to her cousins. She also said, her employer told her that she hired someone else but agreed to continue to help her.

    I would like to interview her. Is there anything I should worry about? Can I get in trouble and be black listed if I hire her and it dosent work out? Who can I contact

  11. Hi Ronia,

    It is not uncommon at all for nannies to be brought to Canada and “released upon arrival”. What happens is a person needs to hire a nanny, they seek out an agency who starts the sponsorship procedures. Because of the length of time it takes to get from sponsoring to actually having to pick up the nanny from the airport, the employer finds another nanny, hires them, and has to release their nanny.

    This is one of the reasons that Citizenship and Immigration Canada are tightening their procedures.

    The reason the previous employer wants to help find a job is because according to the government they are still responsible and as such until someone new sponsors her, they are liabile. They want to shift that from them to you.

    If after you interview her you want to try her out, ask her to come for a day – pay her for the day – and see how she interacts with your family and with you. If you hire her and sponsor her there are specific guidelines that you must follow. If it doesn’t work out, it doesn’t work out. No black mark, no negative press. You ideally want to hire someone that will be with you, and can grow to be a wonderful Canadian while living with you. Don’t settle for less. There are some amazing people coming over.

    Hope that helps and you see this reply.

    If you want to chat further, my email address is realurbandaddy@gmail.com

  12. and what if we apply a LMO before but the nanny cant go here in canada for some reason.. and i need to hire a new nanny.. do i need to apply again a new LMO for my new nanny?

  13. Hi Aya,

    Yes, of course, the nanny is allowed to leave the country with the employer, and before that happens, the nanny needs to get permission from Immigration Canada. Be sure your nanny has a valid passport and the visas she needs, you don’t want to find out at the last minute that there is a problem. Make sure you do this all in plenty of time as it can take 6 weeks to get proper paperwork in place.

    Of course, I’m not an expert – I have just employed 3 nannies from sponsorship through to citizenship, so to be sure everything is in order, call Immigration Canada to confirm. They are the experts!

  14. Hi Aya,

    The LMO is essentially a case that has been set up with Immigration Canada for one specific person. If at some point in time the person changes or a situation changes, then the case worker assigned to the LMO must be contacted and the changes made. Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) is familiar with these situations and has seen them many times before. They can always explain further.

  15. hello! have a nice day..im annie lee frm philippines.working here in hongkong 3years frm my current employer, u can email me at anniesoliman@ymail.com. i want to apply as nanny there in canada but the agencies here is i can not afford their placement fee.im really sorry for i make this site as my advertisement.thankyou

  16. Immigration Canada keeps “moving” the time that it is taking to get the open work permit, it is now 18 months after applying before the first stage will be completed and then another 17 months for PR. That means the soonest one can expect to get PR is 5 years after arriving in Canada, that is a bit unfair and misleading from their website that makes one think you can have it after 2 years.

  17. Hi, im here working in hongkong for 6years in one employer and i have a prospect employer in canada we sign a contract already and they apply an LMO last year september,, how long it takes LMO in BC to come out.? Tnx

  18. Hello! what are good reasons to list for a rationale for needing a live in nanny? I will try and fill out the paperwork myself, but want to make sure I “build” a good case… Thanks

  19. Hi Sol,

    The obvious reason is that you and / or your spouse need to work either inside or outside the home and you do not wish, or it is not possible to have family help out or send them to daycare. you want that extra attention, the love and care that comes with someone else looking after your children, let alone the fact that a nanny will help teach them things and is with them from ehatever time you need them to be there (taking into account normal working hours, and overtime pay if beyond 44 hours a week).

    When I applied – and I have sponsored 4 nannies and at one point we had 2 at the same time – it was because we had 3 kids, all under 5 years old, my wife and I were working and we don’t have family available to help out. Sending the kids to daycare would be expensive and the live-in caregiver program was the perfect route.

    Does this help?

  20. Thanks, it does! I have no family around, and do not wish to send my little boy (5 months in May, when I am planning to start working more) to any other home or daycare and I need the help at home… Also, I was wondering is it standard to deduct room and board for the nanny – or do most employers forgo this? Not sure what is standard out there, want to be reasonable (we have a totally self sufficient suite for nanny – with kitchen/bathroom). Thanks again, this is very helpful!

  21. We recently sponsored a live in nanny to come to Canada to take care of our two children. We hired a reputable agency and followed all the rules. We waited 8 months for the paperwork to clear and purchased a direct flight from Hong Kong to Toronto (we paid extra for the direct flight). In all we spent 6 thousand. Ten weeks into the employment, our nanny informed us that she was leaving our family for an elder care position. We are now without child care and out 6k. We felt we did everything right and above board and were basically scammed. It is clear to us now that the nanny was looking as soon as she arrived and she mentioned her peer network of other nannies was recommending her leave for another position. We are now seeking alternative childcare and will never sponsor another nanny. We are trying to figure out if we have any recourse or ability report what we feel was a scam. Bottom line is everyone needs to be cautious as abuse goes both ways.

  22. I have been searching the internet as an outlet for dialogue on employers being exploited and scammed. I also sponsored a nanny did all the paperwork and waited and waited. After just 7 weeks, she breached her contract by refusing work and told us she is leaving. There is no way for employers to recover the airfare!! We did nothing but shower this person with love and gifts! We provided so many extras and it was neither appreciated or acknowledged. I strongly feel this was pre-meditated and has shifted my view of live in care givers. I would often wonder who these families are that release these caregivers and now I’m one of them. Our caregiver definitely had communication issues and had difficulty articulating her concerns but in the end after probing and prying – they were so invalid. We are so devastated and worse is as Canadians we have no rights and it’s actually the caregiver who has the right to enter this country and do what she wants at my expense. I now have to explain to my kids that she is leaving and we have no childcare!! What an awful feeling for parents to consider leaving a job, taking a leave or selling the house after a caregiver does not commit. There needs to be more awareness about this…Urban Dad can you help? Is there a way to recover fees from the agency?

  23. hello i need some help with something, My girlfriend is a live-in nanny.. she has been for about 3 years at the same place, cleaning and watching 3 kids.. so the thing is that she paid for 40 hours,.. BUT she works 55 hours a week. also she about to get her working visa. I’m just trying to help her and do it the right way..

    Thank you to anyone that can help.

    Mark

  24. Hi Mark,

    Not sure what the question is here, but it is not uncommon for nannies, and many other employees to be paid for a certain number of hours and work in addition to that unpaid. Usually the extra hours are covered off by other perks – cash here and there, extra time off, free internet, a metropass, or possibly she is just doing this because she has bonded with the kids and your girlfriend.

    Bottom line is she may choose to leave because the hours are too many – which can be fixed, or maybe she needs more money or possibly your help in getting ready for her next career – by providing time off to take courses, or paying for the courses.

    My gut feel here is that she’s applying for her open permit and you and your gf don’t want to lose her. It may be too late, but find out what she wants to do going forward, what she likes about the family / the job and what she dislikes. Negotiate.

    Good luck and please feel free to clarify your want here and I can adjust my answer accordingly.

  25. Hi UD.,

    Sorry i should have said it better,… i mean to say is that she works 55 a week but…. only gets paid 40 hours and she pays rent and internet etc.. so out of the whole year she is missing out on about 8K that her boss isn’t paying for 4 hours and the over time.. i hope you understand me now..

    P.s. thanks again for your time..

  26. Hello,
    I have a nanny working for us currently. She will be finished her two year contract this August 2012. My son will be starting school full time in September. The nanny and I were thinking that she could file for her work visa in August, once she’s fulfilled her two years. Then we find her a new employer for September because I won’t be needing her come September. (ie. I will release her in September). Will this affect whether or not she’ll get her work visa? or how long it will take. I would like to help her out as much as possible but really won’t need her past Sept 1. What do you think?

  27. Hi Urban Daddy,

    I need help. Any advice would be very much appreciated. I am currently working to hire a live in caregiver from UAE. I checked their websites the processing times for live cargiver program is 6months. I have already started doing the required advertisements before I file an application for the LMO. However, my prospect caregiver which is my niece told me she is pregnant and her due date will be on September of this year. I don’t know what to do I need help for my three kids. I will be returning to work from mat leave this august. Could you give me an advice of what to do. My niece is willing to come here in Canada after giving birth. Will this pregnancy affect the decision of the immigration officer? My plan is to start the application now so that by the time the application is processed she has already given birth. Some friends had adviced me to wait until she gave birth but I dont want to waste time as it takes too long to hire a foreign caregiver. Please help!!! thanks.

  28. Hi,
    This is in response to the earlier thread from Elaine and urban dad,
    I have hired nannies for more than 10 years with good records with HRDC so I never had any problems . You bet the systems are totally one sided!! As much as I sympathize with those nannies being abused and treated unfairly, which is totally unacceptable. I have seen , heard and experienced my fair share of horror situations the other way around. why arent these stories told? Even when it wasn’t required by law, I paid their tickets to come here (direct flights not round the world flights) since I could understand their anxiety and financial situation. I thought it is better to lessen their stress!! Majority of them worked out well since I only kept them for 3 year max. (THEY all want to leave after their residency status is approved, for obvious reasons ) many use employers as stepping stones. Please do not be as naiive as me to think they truly cared for your family. Nonetheless, I still treat them the same as my own family, but no longer invest any emotions on them. I would go all out to help them even lending them money and never got paid. My nanny would talk long distance and incurred $300 in overseas tel bills. Then, I had another nanny, who used me to come here, would not communicate with us the whole 3 weeks even though I thought she was shy so I tried to always start convos and make small talks… later on, I had no choice but to terminate her only to find out she was planning for this to happen so she can join her cousin in calgary. After all these, I still have faith in most of them but just beware and dont overly invest. Another question is – do you think all corporate offices paid overtimes all the time to every single employee?? Most are compensated in many other ways.. like bonuses , perks etc… Some nannies just want it all…They are taking advantage of employers and milking it. + politicians are mainly using this for votes.
    Overall, I still had pretty good experience with them and a couple still visits whenever they are in town ..Good luck to all.

  29. hi am dahlia and from the caribbean and am looking for a family who is in need of a nanny and who is willing to sponsor. I am a great individual great personality and i love kids. Being the first out of 6^ kids i have always been a mother figure in my family. I have always been around children even my families kids are always most often left in my care. I f anyone is looking for a nanny you can email me at dahlia.leonce@facebook.com. I am a dedicated worker friendly and kind. I know some persons usually have problems after sponsoring an individual and feel hopeless when they walk out but i am always true to my cause. My only concern would be that sometimes some families can be very abusive and harsh i have known a few who change along the way. So if you are humble friendly outgoing and caring i would love to become part of your family. I am currently in my home country right now. Well hope to hear from you soon. Question …. what do i need to do on my part if i want to become a live in nanny

  30. Hi Mark,

    I actually responded to your second comment with this great long reply, but for some strange reason it never posted to the blog… On my own site too. Nice.

    Here are my thoughts about the 55 hour work week;

    Since she has been working all this OT without mentioning it yet, she is consenting to these hours and to go back now might hurt her going forward as she qill require a professional reference for any job going forward, and, well, some people are assholes. It’s a risky road at this point in time. Had she said something at the beginning, or had it written in her contact, that she is to be paid overtime after a certain number of hours per week, I would probably leave it alone and move on.

    I liken it to working in any other (non-unionized) profession. If the boss needs you to work a few extra hours here and there, you do it to stay in the bosses / companies good books in hopes of greater pay, better benefits and the chance at promotion. It’s those who resist who are not viewed as team players. I’m sure the boss knows she is working these extra hours and greatly appreciates it, however, when they asked, she accepted, so they just accepted it as being the new norm.

    Are they in a position to help her get a new job, or assist with education, provide babysitting (piad) or anything down the road that would prompt her to remain on good terms with them?

    Thoughts?

  31. Hi Angie,

    First off, I like the approach you are taking by helping her sort this out as it impacts both of you. You are proactive and very kind.

    Her changing employers will not impact her ability to get her open permit, it will only delay it if she is unemployed for a period of time since she needs 2 years of employement within a 3 year period to be able to qualify for the open permit.

    She should start gathering the required documentation for her paperwork in July to make sure that once she hits that 2 year windown she applies, and in the 4-6 months it seems to be taking for approvals, she should find a new sponsor to be sure that when they check her status with the CRA they will see deductions being made on her behalf – it shows she is a contributing member to the Canadian economy.

    I have heard of some cases where the nanny provides the remittance amount to the former employer who makes that payment to the governemnt on her behalf while she works elsewhere for cash, however with the recent changes to the Live-In Caregiver program and the fact that it’s wrong is leading a lot of people to do the right thing so the nanny is not required to go back home and the employer placed on the temporary banned list.

    Personally, I’d help her find a new employer, but be cautious that if the new employer needs her sooner than you are willing to give her up, you might lose her quicker than you planned. The new employer should request their labour market opinion (LMO) as early as possible so you won’t need to release her, she can just switch over to the new employer and not lose any time.

    Hope that helps.

  32. Hello Jeanette,

    Have you given any consideration into using an agency? They’ll ease the paperwork process for you and help you steer around this issue you now have, which is that the odds of your niece being allowed to come to Canada via the Live-in Caregiver program while pregnant are quite slim. It is my understanding that she will need to take and pass a physical before being approved for her work permit and if anything prohibits her from being able to work (or fly) like being 9 months pregnant, she will not be granted perission to continue in the program and will have to apply again once she has given birth.

    The reason I suggested an agency is becuase they usually have processed the paperwork for many nannies from overseas and have a plethora of temprary nannies which could fill the gap for you while your niece has her baby. In addition, they can help if you fall in love with your temporary nanny and still want to get your niece over here but want the current nanny to continue caring after your child(ren). It makes your life easier too.

    But in a nutshell, I cannot see how they will allow her to come over until the baby is born at which point will she realy want to be apart from teh baby right away.

    Hope this helps.

    Thoughts?

  33. Hi Connie,

    You hit the nail on the head. I learned the hard way, as our current nanny is our 4th nanny and we expect them to stay with us fir the 2 years required if we sponsor them and if not then how ever long they have left until they get their open permit. If you know that you won’t get frustrated with the process and treat them like employees as well as like other human beings.

    There are many stories on the other side and I know for a fact when the Minister of Immigration tightened the cracks on the employer side, then the on the agencies, it was done in order to tighten the screws on the nannies who use this program to come to Canada and not fulfil their obligations. Families are depending on these nannies and when they come with alterior motives everyone loses.

    That being said, our current caregiver who received her open permit last year hosts all the other neighbourhood nannies at our house for music classes and playdates so we know all the neighbourhood nannies and if she ever decides to leave we can pick her replacement from a greater pool.

    I do use an agency called Wee Care, here in Toronto and they not only take care of the paperwork for me but they also have a close tie to the program and as such are able to communicate failures to the governemnt for their references and records.

    Thanks again for your wonderful comment.

  34. hi,i am marie living here in canada with 2 kids and i want to sponsor my cousin who is a nurse in the phillipines.just wanto ask if u have any idea what website i can visit to learn more about sponsoring a nanny and do u have any idea regarding annual salary income they require in order for us to get n hire a nanny outside canada.tnx

  35. Hi Marie,

    Of course. The government had a ton of information on the program. All you will need is here; http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/workplaceskills/foreign_workers/lcpdir/lcpone.shtml or you can google “Live in caregiver program Canada”.

    As an aside, you might not want to mention it’s your cousin. There is nothing wrong with that, but those in the program might want you to sponsor her through the regular way as opposed to through this program.

    As for wages, the program sets all of that out very clearly. For Ontario, for example, it’s minimum wage with is $10.25/hr.

    I, of course, recommend an agency because they do all the paperwork for you and take care of contacts, advertising, etc.

    Hope that helps.

  36. Hi im maria from philippines lm working now in hongkong as a nanny of 2kids ,1 toddler and 9yrs old boy my contract will end this coming sept 8 2012 im looking for a sponsored from canada l have a long years experience as a nanny before im working in taiwan 6yrs, elderly 3yrs ,another 3yrs nanny with 2 kids 5yrs old and 8 yrs old im honest,obedient ,hardworking and more patient l love kids l treat as my own kid hire me as a stay in nanny and willing to work forever in your family as long you need my service l will promised, by the way im single mother 1 daughter she is going to college my father need my help for his treatment he has cancer my salary in hongkong just a little hoping l can find here as my sponsore and l can save my father life fighting for cancer l swear to GOD all my details is really true..thank you GOD BLESS….

  37. Hi im maria from philippines lm working now in hongkong as a nanny of 2kids ,1 toddler and 9yrs old boy my contract will end this coming sept 8 2012 im looking for a sponsored from canada l have a long years experience as a nanny before im working in taiwan 6yrs, elderly 3yrs ,another 3yrs nanny with 2 kids 5yrs old and 8 yrs old im honest,obedient ,hardworking and more patient l love kids l treat as my own kid hire me as a stay in nanny and willing to work forever in your family as long you need my service l will promised, by the way im single mother 1 daughter she is going to college my father need my help for his treatment he has cancer my salary in hongkong just a little hoping l can find here as my sponsore and l can save my father life fighting for cancer l swear to GOD all my details is really true..thank you GOD BLESS….you can contact me +85268784213 or email me marichuromeo@yahoo.com

  38. Is there anything in the new laws that protects employers from nannies who come here in “bad faith” i.e. come here only to work for someone else? Is there any recourse for employers whose nanny does not do her job, misbehaves etc. other than firing her? How is an employer supposed to protect themselves from nannies that blackmail the employer by saying that they will get them blacklisted by lying to the HRSDC about how they were treated?

  39. Hi Bridget,

    Unfortunately no. The politicians only care abouut the majorities vote. The majority of the population is? Bingo ! Certain category of people.. Unfortunately employers hv tried to seek some kind of protection from the gov but no luck.. They just told us that is the risk we hv to take.. But when nannies complain, Employers get blacklisted! Where is the justice. It’s a robin hood society that we hv to give and give… :( probably employers got our money from the tree? It’s sad that we hv to be penalized like this when we too have jobs and hence need help thus proving employment to these nannies. I maintain, there are genuinely good nannies out there but unfortunately the gov does not protect employers. Everything – a grain of salt. I grew up with nannies my whole life and the stories don’t change..

  40. Im so scared to death im not 100% sure yet ive got a real employer there in canada,an agent gave me an employer but My worries is that how would I determine if im receiving a real contract agreement and an lmo since the agent have no website according to our source she is doing her business at home,im so eager to change working environment thats why I grab this offer..please anyone help me or enlighten me on what to do.

  41. Hi i am canadian citizen but was born in the philippines.i want to help one of my relative to come here in canada to work as a caregiver for children or adult.i can promise that she will stay with you until contract finish.we wont do like what other nanny did.we owe a lot to who ever will hire her because finding a employer is not that easy so in return we will thank you and help you on your need as much as we can.please give time atleast 18 mOnths for the processing so eho ever has plan to give birth or has a nanny that will finish contract soon you can contact me.we can talk in person so you can know me better and the relative that i want to help.im from calgary alberta email volta252004@yahoo.com….thank you very much on this site!

  42. My current nanny contract is expire in Sep and she told us she is going to look for other job. Now, I am hiring another one and already interviewed and identified one out of country. The new rule rid ridiculous and definitely one-sided. It says if I apply for another LMO within 2 years they will need to do audit on me for everything. So now I am stuck since I might not be able to get a nanny on time after this one left. I am not sure the 2 year time period is refer to the date that issue the LMO or when I submit my application.
    My 2nd nanny that I sponsored back in 2 years ago quitted after 3 days working for me. She told me she didn’t know anyone here when I put in her application. But end up we found her cousins and sister in law are all here…what a lair and she put me in a really bad situation since I need to take LOA from work to take care of my kids until I found my current one from here…

  43. Madam elena l read your articles so sad lf you can trust me hire me as your nanny and l promised l can work with you for many years if you we make and agreement so you can believed me im working now in hongkong my contract will expire this coming end of aug l dont have friend or relatives their in your place l can work long years for you l promised to God ….im 46yrs old single mother l have 1only child she 18yrs old now if you are interested me want to hire me you can email me marichuromeo@yahoo.com im honest person trust me madam before l work six years to my boss in taiwan thanks a lot GOD BLESS YOUR FAMILY HAPPY MOTHERS DAY….

  44. Hi Urban Daddy,

    I am changing employer and have been here in Canada for 2 years as a nanny, I already found an employer, does she need to advertise to the job bank still? Im not sure if the HRSDC still requires the employers to advertise who want to hire live-in-caregivers who are already here in Canada, enlighten me please.

    Anne

  45. Hello,
    Thank goodness for finding your blog which has pretty much answered majority of my questions from reading everyone’s posts. I still have a few questions though.

    I’m a mom to a 13 month old baby boy but won’t be needing a nanny for now since my mother in-law will be taking care of him while I’m back to work starting next week. I am just being pro-active I guess by starting to inquire about what I need and required to hire a nanny for when we have another child. I really would like to get my cousin to come to Canada, which I will certainly not state in my application that she is my cousin as per your recommendation. She is a mother of 5 and was a nurse but had to quit her job to be a stay at home mom. She obviously will need to take the nanny course and have her properly trained before I can even start my application, correct? She will be coming from the Philippines.

    I have read All the info regarding the LCP Program on the HRSDC website but I have to yet read about approx. time (months or years) it will take for this whole process to take from the initial application process to getting her here finally. Or I guess I’ve gotten different info that I’m not sure which is accurate. Do you know of a website you can suggest?

    If we start planning for another baby by next year in the Fall, would it be too early to get this whole process started now? Or should I just wait till I actually become pregnant? LOL! I will technically also be on mat leave after but it’d be nice to have her here once the baby arrives for extra help as oppose to just when I’m about to go back to work.

    Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks a lot!

    Valerie

  46. Oh hi Valerie,

    Based on your comment, you want to sponsor a cousin from the Philippines, right?

    With the new procedures and requirements and the extra steps that you will have to go through because she lives in the Philippines and not Hong Kong I would think it would take at least a year from start to approval. Then the rest relies on available flight and the passing of her medical before she comes over.

    My experiences tell me in a case like yours where you want to hire a specific person who will need to get approval from her side as well, that an agency would be your best option to ensure this gets done and so you don’t waste time and money.

    Have you started working with an agency?

  47. Now what can an employer do if the agency they hired to find them a caregiver is corrupt? A friend of mine decided to go with an agency that had a caregiver ready to go and come work for them immediately, who had been in Canada only 48 hrs. (Red flag #1). The agency claimed it was their nanny/friend that they had brought into Canada to care for their children. Given that their situation was in need of a caregiver now, they offered their nanny to them. the family was aware that you can’t have the caregiver work for you until they get their work permit under you, however the family thought they had found a perfect solution as the agency said that b/c the caregiver has a permit under them, the family can just pay the agency directly who will then pay the caregiver until the work permit is updated.

    So I warned her that this was illegal, but she felt it wasn’t and so proceeded. Now this agency is sending her invoices for overtime (which the caregiver hasn’t worked) as well as billing for other random things such as payroll fees ($1000). they have yet to see a paper copy of their LMO or the file number of the caregivers current work permit etc. It is all very shady and basically this agency is blackmailing them!!!

    Not mention all the going ons with the caregiver and the agency…they kindly provided her with a computer in her new home and then sent her an invoice for $5000!!! She is naive to the fact that they are taking advantage of her as she claims they are her friends. But really come on!!

    So how can the employer report them?? Should they? or are they at risk for getting in trouble as well as the nanny for working illegally. I have suggested they ask to see her passport/visa/work permit, but so far no luck which makes me even more skeptical!!!

    Any advice is appreciated!

    Jenna

  48. Hello,

    Can somebody please tell me what are the requirements to hire a caregiver from phil? My husband is working and I am not since I am taking care of my boy. Can we still hire a caregiver if my husband is the only one working? Please help me…

  49. hello! my cousin is planning to get me as a nanny to his son. aside from paperworks like LMO and other stuff, how much does she need to show on her bank account? someone told me it should be 50,000 CAD/year. is it true or is it depends on the agreed contract hours/year? thank you!

  50. Hi UD,

    First of all, thank you so much for this site/blog that answered some of my questions. Well, some other stuff I would like to clarify. I am now living in Belgium as an aupair/nanny and I would like to come to Canada. My contract ends by October 2012, can I still manage to come? Would the processing be easier or longer? What is the average period? Do I need to go to an agency or its just the family?

    Secondly, I really feel sorry for the families who were exploited or scammed in some cases, but I am hoping that they would not be traumatized enough to judge other applying nannies or caregivers, my great sympathy goes for them. Strong gut will tell us if things are real or not. :)

    Finally, always keep in smiling amidst all the problems that we faces, because there will always be reasons to smile. Look at your kids, pets, love ones, friends, neighbors, or even just the monkey in the zoo. :)

    Kind regards,
    CRISTINA

  51. hi, we are going to ottawa on a worker’s permit. We have a 3 year old son. How can I bring with us our nanny? would this be possible? What forms do we need? Thanks a lot.

  52. Hi Pearl,

    I would need to know where you are going to Ottawa from and how long you plan to be there. What I can recommends, however, is visiting the Human Resources and Skill Davelopment Canada website, (Google HRSDC work permit) because if your nanny, like you, is a non-resident of Canada she should be able to get a work permit to join you. I have seen it happen but there are some specific criteria which you could ask one of their call services agents.

    I know here in Canada, if I were to get a job in the United States, our nanny could apply for a work permit if she had completed her requirements through the live-in caregiver program. She could get a temporary visa allowing her to travel there but not work there.

    Good luck!

  53. really
    hi im really,im a livein caregiver her in canada and my employer just give me 37 to 30 hrs/week, even thou our contract is 40 hrs/week? it makes me worried if this will affect to my papers soon. pls help me thanks and have a good day!

  54. First…this site is fantastic!!! I just ran across it today and thank you for having it. I have had very positive experiances with Live in Caregivers so far. We chose to go with male rather than female Caregivers.

    I did a lot of research into this before we hired anyone. In many countries there is an equal split between male and female caregivers, but not so in Canada. Research showed that the male Caregivers and Nannies had a much better track record when it came to staying with employers, and were not as “tempermental” as female ones, and quick to group together with other females and thus leave jobs (I am a 56 year old woman writing this so don’t go jumping on me about this thinking is a male attitude) I am mearly stating facts from research others have done and from personal experience.

    That being said: Our last Male Live in Caregiver has been with us four years now. He has been wonderful. He is now leaving to get married so we are replacing him with another male Caregiver.

    I do have a question seeing its been four years since we did all the paperwork….I remember reading somewhere earlier this year about some changes in the Caregiver programe where when they sign the contract for the two years with an employer…they can also work somewhere else once in a while or part time on their days off.

    I cannot find that information now, am wondering if it was a proposal that never happened yet, or wishful thinking LOL, or if it was indeed a new ruling.

    Looking for that was how I found you site, so all was not lost!

    If you know anything about this, would love to know for the new Caregiver coming. My Caregiver now, seeing he has been here four years, has had is open work permit for two years so we never had find out.

    Thank you

  55. Hi there i’m in the process of sponsoring a nanny . can she break the contract in less than 2 years by finding other employer ?

  56. Hi there Hachoni,

    Of course she can. Think about yourself working for someone else. If you want to quit and find a different job, all you have to do by law is give them 2-weeks notice. Same applies here. The nanny you hire will have a contract and it should spell out the terms for her departure and your requirements should you want to fire and release her. Under the live-in caregiver rules in Canada (should you be Canadian) or rules in other countries require a valid signed contract in the sponsoring process and tighter rules govern these contracts and provide room for legal action should the terms of the contract not be followed.

    Good luck and thanks for the comment.

  57. Hi Diana,

    Thanks for this fantastic comment. I am really pleased to hear about your success with a male caregiver and it’s very true that there are not too many male caregivers hired in Canada and it’s probably because parents just don’t trust men to look after their young children, and that includes changing diapers and bathing them. Sadly a few men with poor judgement have ruined it for everyone else.

    As for your question about working part-time elsewhere, as far as I know it is fine, along the same circumstances as if you had a full-time job and wanted to work part-time for additional compensation or experiences. The only caveat here is that the Canadian Live-In caregiver program does not allow for this until the open permit has been received, but you said your caregiver has been with you for over 4 years do I doubt that even matters.

    The penalty for working part-time or in a field of work not related to the terms and conditions of the LCP, or for cash, etc., is that the nanny may be denied their open permit and forced to leave the country.

    I hope this answered your question. Please drop by anytime.

    Regards,

    Warren

  58. Hi Sarrah,

    What was the reason for the reduction? As far as I understand the rules, your employes is required to provide you with written notice should their be a change in schedule, but I also understand that you have 3 years to complete the equivalent of 2 years worth of work so the reduction in hours just means you will need longer to complete the requirements of the program. You can always call HRSDC to ask if you are worried.

    Hope that helped!

  59. Hi Dear Urban Daddy,

    I need your advice. I am a married canadian citizen and live with my husband. I am 3 month pregnant with twins!! I need to bring my niece to Canada to help me with my babies after they are born. I dont want to hire an stranger to take care of my bebies and to live in with us since I have hear so many bad stories about them. I am much more comfortable if I hire a nany that I know and would love my kids. I am working but after mat leave I want to go back to work. My husband is working full time and he is doing his MBA at the same time and he would finish his MBA when my bebies would be around 6 month old after they are borned. I have no close friends or family except my brother who have two kids and busy with his life and can not help me at all. I am sure that I can not expect any help from my husband since he is supper busy with his study and work. How much chance do I have to be able to bring my niece here to help. I need your advise and I really appreciate it. Best regards, Amena

  60. Hi there!
    I’m hoping to get some advice on how I can bring my cousin to work for me as a nanny. My husband and I got pregnant while I was just finishing up my degree. Once pregnant my husband actually ended up leaving me. I’m now with my beautiful 2 month old son, but hoping to go back to school to finish what I have left in my degree. Can someone share a link or some information on how I can go about doing this and what the procedure is? Thank you! it’s much appreciated

  61. Hi Elisa,

    Your tale is sad, yet beautiful at the same time. I hope everything works out for you.

    To be honest, I know that part of the process of bringing someone to work for you as part of a program, like the live-in caregiver program, requires that you interview several people and report to the government why you did or did not choose them. I know going through a nanny agency can assist as they know how to dolicit responses from other nannies so that your cousin rises to the top, and for that reason alone, I would suggest using an agency.

    If you want to see more information, just google “Hiring a caregiver” and whatever country you are in and read more about the process on the government website only.

    I also know in Canada, for example, the government frowns on employers hiring nannies who either are related or released quickly. There is a repatriation program here to sponsor family members, then if you choose to hire your cousin it’s a regular employee – employer relationship.

    Hope this helped.

    Cheers,

  62. Hello,
    Thank you so much for you interesting site. Just wondering if there is an age limit for a person who wants to become a nanny in Canada. About how long time does it take to get a visa, or how much in advance do you suggest to apply for a job? Is it difficult for a Filipina to get a visa through the nanny program provided she can meet the necessary expectations? The person in question is already working as an au pair in Europe (but will finish her contract there first), and also has experience from the Middle East. Which nanny sites are most recommendable?

    Thanks so much in advance!

    Elise

  63. Hi Elise,

    The average length of time it takes a Philippina from the Philippines to come to Canada through the program is about one year, but it is much less if that person applies while working in another country like the Middle East, or Europe.

    As for age – I believe there is no age restriction – we sponsored a nanny who was 42-years-old – but all the nannies have to get sign off for being in good health before they are able to proceed in the program.

    As for nanny sites, I think you are asking about agencies, and if so, I have always used Wee Care out of Toronto.

    Hope this helps! Thanks for dropping by.

  64. Hi there, we are in the final stages of bringing a nanny from the Phillipines to help care for our 3 children. She has called us to ask to pay for her flight in advance even though our contract states to be paid after 90 days of employment. She is also asking for $500 to show that she has money to come to as a tourist, even though she has a contract of employment with us. I don’t understand this and was hoping you would be able to tell me wether this is standard practice. She is coming through China.

  65. Hi there Maria,

    Not a great way to start a relationship, eh?

    You are correct that you do have 90 days to reimburse for the ticket in some parts of the world, and if you do want to do that in advance there is a pro and a con to doing so.

    The pro is that by doing that you are showing your nanny that she is coming to a stable home where there is love and respect and money to make sure she gets paid. To do that would be a kind gesture, but if you choose to I would make sure that she understand that you have 90 days to do so but are doing it earlier because you want her to feel comfortable that she made the right choice choosing to be with your family.

    The con is that you pay her now, she arrives then either takes off before you collect her from the airport or she does a terrible job so you release her and she goes to join family or friends on your dime. While this type of behaviour is not condoned by the government and can result in her being sent home and banned from working, in Canada for 5 years, it’s always in the back of my mind.

    As for the cash, she doesn’t need it – you are correct, she is coming with an approved contract possibly through the live-in caregiver program so all she needs is that to show customs and she gets through. To say she is coming as a tourist when she is not could get her in trouble as she tries to come into the country.

    Bottom line here is that something doesn’t make sense and it’s in your best interest to speak to her, or her representative – or your representative if you used an agency to get a feel as to where these questions are coming from and what is her intentions once she arrives.

    I think that is the only way to understand what’s going on.

    Hope this helps!

    Let me know if you need to bounce more off of me.

    Warren

  66. I was just wondering on how long does it take to get a positive LMO? Also the processing time after that to get a work permit under live in caregiver coming from hongkong? Thanks

  67. Hi,this site is interesting.I’ve been a live-in caregiver for almost 3 yrs now,this is my second employer i worked for now,and like other nannies, who experienced overtimed worked without pay..I am one of them..I apply through agency,once, twice I complain,my employer just lie-low,and back to normal.some kind of abused which I just tolerate,so I can finished my 2 yrs LCP..in which I did and apply my PR/open work pemit,in which I did already received my Open work permit 3 months,ago..but still the situation is the same.And I am just increased by a dollar recently,where my employer had additional baby for almost a yr. now..I already looked upon it as so unfair,where I could have chances to earned more outside..So my question is,can I quit my job now?Even though I’m still waiting for my PR approval?and should I still give 2 weeks notice before quitting?
    thank you

  68. Yes you can quit your job any time you want. If you were being treated unfair, you could have quit your job before now.
    If your employer raised your wages by one dollar an hour, that is a huge raise, About a 10% raise? Even those that go on strike in a union seldom get a raise of that percentage.
    If you think you can do better elsewhere, you should try it.
    What many don’t seem to realize is that yes, you are making less per hour than some places but you also have very little living expenses. You pay $325 only per month for your roof over your head and your food, usually TV and wifi, as well as the heat and electricity you use.
    Once out on your own, even if your wages are double, you still will be not as well off as you are now.
    I have talked to many many nannies who moved from being a live in caregiver to being out on their own….and all had a hard time adjusting and realizing how much things cost to ive.
    Its like now you are like a protected child being looked after and no having to worry about rent, utilities, taxes, insurance…the list goes on.
    When the child leaves the nest they learn fast how good they had it before.
    As for giving a two weeks notice,,,yes for many reasons.
    You have been part of this family for a long time now, children and parents alike have an attachment to you, Out of common curiisy you should give at least two weeks notice of not more. your leaving will put the family in termoil enough without it being a sudden departure,
    Plus this will show on your work record. If you want a good job later, best you have a good recommendation from your employer

  69. Hi there,

    You advised above that the caregiver may pay for her flight and be re-imbursed within 30 days. However, the government contract templates specifically state “It is the EMPLOYER’s obligation and responsibility to pay for the transportation cost and it cannot be passed on to the foreign worker (for example, the EMPLOYEE must not pay the transportation on behalf of the employer to be reimbursed at a later date).”

    Where does it say you have 30 days to pay it back??

  70. Hi Shauna,

    Thanks for the comment. I recognized your name right away and that being in the industry I had to go back to see what I had in fact said to make sure I was not misleading anyone.

    In this specific case, however, I am not sure this person is asking the question is Canadian or even coming in through the Canadian live-in caregiver program so for me to cite Canadian law might not have been appropriate.

    I get a lot of comments from nannies and employers from all over the world and have learned quite a lot of requirements and expectations in some of these regions but in this case I could not tell for sure that the person posting the questions was coming to Canada or where she was.

    Thanks for bringing this up and for your take on it. What you wrote is 100% accurate if the nanny is arriving to Canada through the live-in caregiver program.

    Regards,

    Warren

  71. Thanks Warren, I just assumed it was Canada. Glad to hear you have had a good experience with another agency and hope you will give Diamond Personnel a shot in the future. We enjoy reading your blog! The web needs more positive conversations about our industry and nannies in general. Have you heard about the nanny angel network? If you are interested in doing a piece, the Nanny Angel Network is our not-for-profit organization offering free childcare for mom’s with cancer through a network of professional, volunteer nannies. We are always looking for ways to get the word out about our program so let me know if you are interested in some more information. All the best and keep blogging!

  72. Hi Shauna,

    Thanks for the kind words. I’d love to hear more about the Nanny Angel Network. I’m going to google it but if you have some additional information, please send it to me. It sounds wonderful.

    I have heard amazing things about Diamond Personnel from so many people and I played softball with Fred for 4 years. He’s a great guy. Keep up the great work.

  73. Hi urban daddy,

    My husband got a job in Vancouver, we plan to bring our nanny for only 3 months to help us settle down. We don’t intend to employ her in Canada as I believe it’s going to be expensive. Is this possible? Thanks!

  74. Hi Urban Daddy,

    I left a message on September 09 requesting your advise but I had no response yet. Could you please respond to my email. I appreciate it.

    Amena

  75. Hi Amena,

    Sorry again for not replying sooner.

    This is a common question I get asked and I know for certain that many nannies living in Canada have their employers sponsor their relatives, and to do this you will need to use an agency to help you though the process. There are some requirements which it would appear that you meet from the information you provided – mainly around income and need for a nanny, but an agency would be able to help navigate through the sponsoring and what the government requires around that like the advertising of the position, the interviewing of other potential nannies, and arranging to have her paperwork in order as well.

    Whereabouts do you live? Which province?

  76. I am new here in canada working just only 3months as a caregiver..my husband lives in US and my paper for petition is already out.but i decided not to move there,coz i want to finish my contract here and wait for my PR and stay here as i get my family in the phillipines..my question is,is it possible to wait my PR here,or better to move there in the US with my family..He is also going to petiton my daughter in the philippines.

  77. Dear urban Daddy,

    Thank you so much for your response. You are the best! As you asked where I live, I live in Ontario, Richmond Hill. and about our income we are not worriied because our both income is more than $140 K.. My only concerns is that if they will accept my niece a a live in care giver. She is now working the a day care in Iran. You mentioned that I can get help from an agency, what do you mean? how thay can help? I am so eager to find this out. GOD Bless you for ever!!!!

    Amena

  78. Hello Urban daddy…
    Im new here in Canada …i just came 3 months ago as a live in nanny… my schedule is unncommon.. and I dont know how handdle it…. My work starts at 7 am.. wake up and getting ready the kid for school… preparing brekfast and snacks and lunch for school…. I drop kid at school… and I come bck to house for housekeeping , laundry and taking care or three dogs…. I pick up the kid at 3 pm and after that i drive the kid to extra activities.. prepare dinner for kid and I .. feed dogs. help with homework .. and put everyone at bed…. usually the parents are not at home at all day… and when they are… still working at home…. so my day should be done by 8 Pm….
    By the begin the parents told me that many days I would work many hours without extra pay..But they would give me many days off in compensation… then I suposed it waas Ok…. but now i realized that is unfair.. for many reasons i would prefer the over time paid … Im sure they will no be agree because It should be a big amount every week…. In addition I dont know how many hours do I work???? Do I have to count just the time that i really work?? ( because they say im not working all day)…. or can I count all the hours that im in charge of their house ????

    Do you know where can I get information about how to get another work permit or do I have to find another employer/family first ????
    Of course my contract says 8 hrs per day..
    thank you….

  79. Hi Manu,sorry to hear that. I hope every thing works out for you. I have a question if you dont mind. what kind of proof did you give to Canadian office to assure them that you were working? I am trying to bring my niece as a live in caregiver and she works in a daycare what kind of proof she can show to let them know that she is working. we dont have tax return on our country, and most of employees are paid cash.
    Amena

  80. Hi Amena…..
    when I applied for the work permit..I had to sent to canadian embassy. many documents, as copies of my payroll, bank deposits from my employer, taxes etc… It was a delayed process but finally i got it.. it was not easy or fast…but I learned that is better do it by yourself .. because i tryied it before with an agency and it was refused…. I read many times the instructions on the website http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/work/caregiver/index.asp – I hope it works for you..

  81. Hi Urban Daddy, I have a question to you : I live in Calgary and looking for a live-in nanny under LCP who is now living in Calgary. Is it possible to hire such person without going through the whole LCP hiring process and transfer the nanny’s previous LMO and work permit to the new employer (me)? I saw some postings on the Internet posted by families looking for a new family for their current nanny. Thank you for your time.

  82. Hello there….
    Please ……Does anybody knows what do I to have to do if I need quit to my current employer and find another employer/family.. Im a live in nanny.. with a live in work permit….no idea what do I have to do…..
    thanks….

  83. Thanks Manu. did you have any interview? why it was refused when you tried through agency? thanks dear for your response.

  84. Manu about quiting your job I dont think that you would have any problem to change the family. I read so much about these issues on the different site and I know if you want to change the family you have to find one and then give a notice to the previous employer.

  85. Hi Amena
    my first aplication was refused because a finnancial employer issue. after that i replayed to an ad and the new family contacted me .. we had a online interview , they aplyied for their LMO with my name on it…. when they got the positive LMO, email to me , contract, job offer,etc. I started my application by myself..putting together all the documents that embassy asked for… paid the fee and sent all the package to the embassy.. after three months the embassy approved it and sent me a entry letter… I showed that letter at customs (airport) and Im here !!…..
    I have no prior experience in live in jobs, that’s why no idea what do I have to do??
    Do i have to go thru all the process again???. I confuse, I didnt bring with me all the documents required … , because I suposed i would stay all the year with my current employer…. Do I need find first the new family??…
    Do you know where can I go for further information??

  86. Hi Manu thank you so much for your quick respone I really appreicate it. You have a nice heart. I did some search for you and I belive you have to go through all the process again :( I am not sure if it is worth it . I send you the link, you can read it. i think if you can wait until your 2 years is finished and then you can apply for PR and the you are free to do change your job, etc. However it is up to you you may not be comfortable anymore with your employer and if it is unbearable then you can change your employer. here is the link:
    http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?q=234&t=17 and

    http://urbandaddy.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/new-rules-and-regulations-for-nannies-in-canada-took-effect-april-1st-2011/#comment-3203

    Let me know what you will do. I will contact you again if you dont mind. where are you located now in Canada?

  87. Manu I forgot to ask you which agency did you try with. Can you give me the name? I want to try it for my niece. and how much is the fee if I want to apply through an agency. thanks dear
    Amena

  88. HI Amena
    I dont know exactly what agency was.. because i made I part by myself…. but for sure my employer hired an agency for their process.. Im not sure..some like suppremacy kind of…

  89. Hello there,

    I have a live-in nanny who we don’t need anymore. The thing is that she still needs to work as a live-in for 10 more months to be able to apply for her open permit and she doesn’t want to go through the whole process of finding another family, LMO, etc and asked us to keep her as our employee but she would live somewhere else and find some houses to clean (under the table of course). Can we have any problem with this? If so, what would be the problem? I guess if she doesn’t say anything about this, there won’t be any problem, my concern is if by the time she does get her open permit she claims that we didn’t pay her or that we didn’t let her live us, but made her work anyways or something like that, just to get extra money.

    We would pay her taxes to CRA (around $250)in exchange of her cleaning our house .

    Thanks

  90. Hello, I’m new in canada Vancouver , I find a family who is going to make my visa like live in… I really want that, I was working 2 month with a family who was crazy. I was working a lot and also I’m studying my degree so I didn’t sleep so much … And was so complicate to me. The problem is I saw at the website. I need to have a paper like I have experience like baby sitter or nanny . I was working in Spain like nanny after university but there its no paper or contract so I don’t have way to show a paper, just the people what I was working with can do a letters for me or something. Please help me , what I can do? I really need help I don’t want to lost this opportunity.
    Thanks

  91. Need advice please,

    Our live-in nanny has been with our family for 1 year. She just returned from a month long vacation to be with her family in the Philippines. While there she got married and to our huge surprise pregnant. While we feel happy for her that she is expanding her family, we can’t help but wonder how this is going to affect ours. We understand and respect all of the employment laws regarding maternity leave, however we are wondering what our rights are as employers of a live-in caregiver. Having had 4 children, I know things don’t always go smoothly, what happens if our caregiver is out with our small children and something goes wrong? What happens if she has complications in the night while our family is asleep, we would absolutely feel responsible to get her care and look after her, but we honestly do not want this added responsibility and worry. The reason we hired her was to take on some of our responsibilities, not add to them.

    I’m already seeing a change in her ability and desire to do the work that was agreed upon in our contract. We are really concerned about having a pregnant nanny living in our home and responsible for our children. We feel conflicted because our children love her so much, we have always treated her like part of our family, but now the business part of this is kicking in and we were not prepared to deal with it. Any advice or experience with this situation would be greatly appreciated.

  92. Hi Amber,

    I sense your frustration and I feel for you, however the recent changes to the live-in caregiver program reaffirmed the rights of a nanny who is pregnant and makes sure that she is entitled to what you would have received.

    It might be a good time to talk to her about how she is able to complete her responsibilities and when she may want to take leave but without any prior written concerns, releasing or terminating her employment could get you sued for wrongful dismissal.

    Know any labour lawyers?

  93. Thank you for your reply. We feel like our choice has been completely stripped from us. I guess I just can’t wrap my head around the difference between when I was a working pregnant employee, I didn’t live with my employers. And the risk was not getting filing done, or emails answered, not children being put in situations that put them at risk.

    Moms looking for nannies….beware of situations like this. As employers we have no rights, regardless of how it affects our family and home.

    So I guess our only option is to work with what our nanny plans, meaning we have find a temp nanny (not an easy task) while she goes on maternity leave, bring a new person into our home, work with our children to adapt again. Worry about our children’s safety while under the supervision of our pregnant nanny. There’s so many more concerns, but they don’t matter at this point. This was her choice, but our consequence to deal with.

  94. Amber,

    I really feel for you – and I’m sorry for the rambly reply earlier – it was late and I was half asleep.

    You are in a very unfortunate tight spot. You have to abide by the laws and Immigration Canada have been really tightening the screws lately, not in a bad way, but in order to weed out those employers who take advantage of their caregivers (essentially imprison them).

    It has not been a regular problem in this industry and yes, in the past, many employers released their caregivers which is so cruel when you take into account how their lives have been turned upside down – but as employers, we need to know that our employee(s) will be there and be able to do what we hired them for.

    So now you have to deal with the difficulty of having to make sure that she can do what she is able to without hurting herself or her baby, or your family, and then prepare for her leave and then again have to make sure that her position is there when she gets back… It’s a major hassle but by doing it you are so much better than many other employers before you and it makes you an awesome human being.

    Thanks again for the comment and best of luck!

  95. Hi Rofefe,

    I didn’t recall seeing that you needed some proof that you were a caregiver and I think any family wanting to sponsor you would see how you interact with their children and would want to hire you.

    We have hired without written proof and it turned out great.

    Was that what you were concerned about?

    Or about having formal training?

  96. “While there she got married and to our huge surprise pregnant.”

    Welcome to the more-popular-than-ever “get knocked up” nanny scam. Some come right off the plane pregnant, or just get a boyfriend here and get knocked up. Or do the “fly home and make baby” stunt like they did to you. They are then entitled to materinity leave (on your dime) and from what I’ve heard when baby is born, baby is INSTANTLY a Canadian citizen. This can mean extensions on her time limit (to complete her hours) since mommy needs to be there to care for her Canadian citizen baby.

    They are NOT obligated to tell you if they ARE pregnant or planning to get pregnant.
    You cannot ask them for proof they are not pregnant. That’s a violation of their rights. Also watch for ones already here who might be pregnant or have small children of their own. Nannies with kids of their own is on the rise.

    Also watch for these other popular scams:

    – Claim abuse and vanish with family, or just vanish with no explanation.
    – Spreading out work over longer periods to accrue OT hours (timesheet padding)
    – Working for months or years then claiming a massive numer of OT hours with no prior complaint to their employer or anyone else. (I worked for two years, 60 hours per week, not 40 and now I want “x” thousand dollars…)
    – They also are incented to falsify OT worked to shorten the time it takes to work their required hours before they complete their LMO and can apply for citizenship.
    – Nanny “agencies” who lie to both employers and to the nannies they are allegedly helping.

    NANNIES CAN LEAVE ANY TIME – THEY ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO STAY.
    Know the law regarding employing pregnant women and maternity leave. Yes, it applies to you and your nanny! Make them SIGN OFF on timesheets weekly – that way you will have the proof later if they come back and claim more hours. This will FORCE them to initiate a complaint immediately, which will thwart any efforts to try and falsify OT claims for long periods (after they leave).

    EMPLOYERS BEWARE. They have all the rights, you have all of the (legal) obligations and (financial) responsibilities. And some of these women are shameless scammers – they’d do anything to get citizenship, including getting pregnant by the first guy they can find here.

    Do not trust any of them – you can’t. Sorry to the good ones, but the bad ones are ruining it for everyone.

  97. Addendum: I would also write on the time sheet at the bottom (in English AND Tagalog or whatever her native language is): “By signging this timesheet I acknowledge that the hours shown above are fair and correct.” If she refuses to sign and wants to complain, she now has to do so immediately and cannot try to accrue hundreds of OT hours AFTER she leaves your home. It’s much easier to lie when it doesn’t have to be to your face. PROTECT YOURSELF.

  98. hi, can i bring a nanny as a tourist here then apply her for the live in caregiver program? thanks!

  99. Hi Lance,

    I’m not really sure and I hope someone reading this will know better. It’s my understanding that there is a lot of prep work to be done by the prospective nanny in her home country, I guess if all that is done and she’s travelling and gets the thumbs up – it’s okay, I have my doubts that this is a common occurance based on the average length of time it takes for the entire process to roll through.

    That being said, we have hired nannies in the live-in caregiver program but they were already in Canada and looking for a change, never from the start.

    I’m curious as well.

    Can anyone else chime in here?

  100. Good question ehtesham.

    I pulled this from Citizenship and Immigration Canada’s website;

    Caregivers will be carefully screened by a Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) visa officer before they enter Canada. They must meet the eligibility requirements of the Live-in Caregiver Program. These include:
    •the successful completion of the equivalent of a Canadian secondary school
    •at least six months of full-time classroom training or at least one year of work experience as a caregiver or in a related field or occupation within the last three years, including at least six months of continuous employment with one employer
    •the ability to speak, read and understand English or French, so that they can function on their own in an unsupervised setting
    •the passing of medical, security and criminal clearances
    •the signed written employment contract with an employer in Canada

  101. I found a tool here; http://onlineservices-servicesenligne.cic.gc.ca/eapp/eapp.do which you can complete to figure out if you qualify to come to Canada or someone you want to come is eligible, and I tested it out with an age under 18 and I was not permitted. The program asks if you are “of age” and if not will a parent or guardian be coming with. In addition, the potential employee must have completed high-school and have at least 6-months experience as a nanny / caregiver.

    Hope this helps.

    Warren

  102. Thanks everyone!! The thing is we’re moving to canada soon under my husband’s work permit, it’s now under process with the Singapore visa office.
    Our current nanny has been with us since my son was born and we’d really like to bring her with us cos i don’t want to lose her to another employer while we go through this process (it’s so hard to find a good nanny these days). We’re now based in Singapore and the requirements for a nanny are pretty much the same – HS grad, 6mos+ continuous employment, etc.
    The requirements to be an employer is what worries me, cos we don’t have the business registration yet, etc.
    Maybe I’d better check with the visa office then..

    Thanks urban daddy! =) This blog has been soo useful =)

    Elanie
    mom to Lance.

  103. Elaine,

    Email re: realurbandaddy@gmail.com.

    I’ve employed 3 nannies through the live-in Caregiver program, sponsored all three. One has been with us for 4 years now and we don’t ever want us to leave.

    I also worked for 10 years at the Canada Revenue Agency so I can walk you through the process about being an employer. Happy to help you with all that.

    Advice is free. :)

  104. You stated in the article that Live-n caregivers will receive their PR after 10 months of application but the CIC website says something different.according to the site,it takes over 3years.if there have been any changes pls let me know because to wait that long is just too much.there are a lot of young people working under ther LCP who want to aquire higher education or have the freedom change after they’ve paid their dues but the number of years they have to wait to get the open work permit, not to mention PR is heartbreaking.i pray the caregiver associations will take this up to the gov’t to address.thanks.

  105. i was told that after 2yrs i’ll get my PR.what i didnt know was that it would take a very long time after working for 2yrs.

  106. It does take a long time to be able to get your PR, but if you don’t think its worth it, you are not forced to do it. If it is “just too much” for you, you are free to leave and go back home.

    You feel you have “paid your dues”? You will never, ever pay your dues! Being a Canadian is not about paying dues…you need to read how Canada was populated by the early pioneers, if you want to understand what living in Canada is all about. Perhaps where you came from it worked like that, but not here.

    To most, no matter how long it takes to get their PR, its well worth it. THAT is the kind of person we want in Canada. Not those that complain about our government and associations before they even are part of us.

    Perhaps Joy, you should be more appriciative about having the blessing of being able to be in this wonderful country. Even without your PR I bet your standard of living improved greatly just being here. If not, why would you be here? Do you have any idea how many would love to be in your shoes????

    You have blessing of being able to receive your PR someday. Many many others in the world would love such an opportunity, and will never get it.

    Those coming to Canada need to read the rules made by Canadians. Perhaps if you would have read the information you would not be so “heartbroken”, and expecting things faster.

    It clearly states that it takes 36 months to get your PR after you have put in your 2 full years working, and a number of months waiting for your Open Work Permit…do your math…that adds up to 5 +years. Yes, some do come faster, but if those comeing over do their homework and read the websites and other information supplied….they should expect it to take 5-6 years.

    If it is sooner, then that is an extra blessing.

    I do know of some right now that have waited over 4 years, one will have waited 5 years this coming May.

    This is NOT too long to wait, to be able to be a PR in Canada. For those that did not read the information on how long it would take, its their fault, not the Caregivers Associations, or the Governments.

    If you are willing to wait for the great opportunity to be a PR of Canada..good luck!

    Diane

  107. Hi Joy. When you say after 2 years, do you mean after completing the 2-year requirement for the program or 2 years after the completion of the 2-year program requirements?

    Generally after the 2-year program requirements have been completed, and the paperwork is sent to the government by yourself, which can take 3-4 months to gather, it takes about 10 months after that, so it can be up to and over 3 years for the open permit which allows you the opportunity to continue to seek permanent residence in Canada.

    Keep in mind also, that many employers want to keep their employees that they sponsor through the program so there are usually agreements involving a raise, fewer hours to allow for schooling and the like.

    The whole process from landing in Canada to becoming a permanent resident can be as long as 5-6 years but I think it’s worth it. We have a great country, great benefits and very nice (friendly) people. I’m afraid if you are already getting uptight about your PR, then you’re going to be upset for quite a few more years.

    Keep you chin up.

  108. I hired nanny to help me with my teen kids and elder mother.
    I was planning to send her with my mom to our homecoutry, and she knows language and agrees to go, but it seems that that would affect her time for application for permanenet resident.
    If we both agree for her to go for 3 months overseas, would she have any trouble coming back to Canda?
    Thanks

  109. Can a nanny who’s been in Canada for 2 years after fulfilling one contract be a live out nanny for the next? I have been unable to find any info on this… Please help..Thanks

  110. Sir/maam im presently working here in hongkong and I apply to work in canada as a nanny actually im waiting for approval of working visa right now but my agent told me that my employer had back out already coz they cant wait for me anymore…can the employer hav the right to apply for another lmo and what gonna happen to me once the lmo have approve…thank you

  111. Hi dear,

    I am 2 months pregnant and i am thinking about sponsoring a live in nanny from morocco. How long the process take, when should i start the case ? it is my first pregrancy and i dont have family in canada, It is only me and my husband here, so i realy need help.

    I want hire my sister since she has the experience and education required. is it possible to hire and sponsor a member of the family as a live in nanny ?

  112. hi, i am a nany of 2 years experience and have some university education. I grow up in a large family and i was the old sister for 4. So it was my responsibility to take care of them and watch after them when mom is busy. I am looking for an employer in canada but most of the websites and agencies that i checked ask for money before even i apply for visa and work permit at the canadian embasy. which means they are scam accorging to the cic website. i was trying for a year but all seems to be scam one of them even sent me facke ticket and asked me or money trasfer throgh Western union. Can you help me please with any trusted agency that can find me an employer?

    Thank you,

  113. Hi Mona,

    I know there are some very questionable agencies out there. I’m glad you were able to figure that out and save yourself from them.

    This is the agency we have used to sponsor all the nannies we have needed to take care of our children, Wee Care , and they have been awesome to work with. You might want to try them and see what they say. I trust them. I also know there are other agencies which post here and if they post here they are certainly legitimate.

    Good luck!

  114. Hi Mona,
    We agree with the Urban Daddy — there are certainly a lot of shady agencies operating, so you must be diligent and do your homework. It is ILLEGAL for any agency to charge a caregiver to come to Canada. It is free to work with Diamond Personnel; our clients pay for our placement fee, airfare and temporary health insurance in applicable provinces in Canada.

    Where are you located? We work exclusively with Filipino caregivers from Hong Kong.

    We look forward to hearing from you!

  115. Thank you for this as well. I certainly agree that Diamond Personnel have a wonderful reputation and are a quality agency. You cannot go wrong working with them. My interactions with them have been great too.

    Regards.

  116. Do Live in Caregivers have to file tax returns? What if the live in caregiver has been released upon arrival and did not have income in 2012, does she need to file a zero tax return?

  117. The sister of my present Caregive is also a Caregiver here in Canada. She arrived 6 months ago, paying her own way over. The employer said that after 6 months of work, he would reimburce her half of the plane fare, than after one year reimburce her the rest. Is this legal?
    Also, even though they signed a contract stating 40 hours per week, she was told that after April 1, they were cutting it to three days per week, at 10 hours per day, making it 30 hours per week. Is this legal?

    Thank you

  118. I am a disabled Canadian. My husband sposored a live in caregiver for me. After a year with us I found out they were having an affair. This caused me so much pain and sent me to the hospital for depression. I left my husband and since I left home my husband can not pay her so she is working underground for another employer. How can I send this woman back to her country?

    Thank you
    Jen

  119. Hi Jen,

    I’m so sorry to hear this story. It’s sad and certainly not right. My research tells me that you can report immigration fraud here;

    “You can report immigration fraud by calling the Border Watch Tip Line at *1-888-502-9060*. All information is treated as confidential.”

    I found this on the Citizenship and Immigration website; http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/protection/fraud/report.asp

    Hope this helps and again, so sorry to hear of this misfortune. Wishing you all the best!

    Warren

  120. I’m planning to hire a Nanny and am working with Preferred Personnel of Canada Inc., has anyone ever worked with them? Comments?

    I’m 5 months pregnant and expect to need a caregiver between April – July 2014. I have selected an applicant (my current daycare providers sister, from the Philippines). How long does the application process take? We started the application process in March. If I complete the paperwork now, when should I expect her to be available for work in Canada? If they complete the process early can I request a specific date for her to start if my selected nanny is willing to wait until we need her?

  121. Hi Urban Dady
    Greetings to you. I am a filipina who had an employer here in canada. I am recently staying here in hongkong waiting for my visa to come out. I submitted all the necessary documents needed. My question is how long does it takes that my visa t be release becauase my employer needs me urgently because she’ll be having a surgery next month . I hope it doesnt wait to long cause they need me to take good care of ther to kid

  122. Greetings, I have a cousin in Europe who is seeking to move to N. America on a permanent basis and find that being a live in Nanny may give her more chances in getting permanent status in Canada. She has a University degree as a Professional Educator with honours. She has worked with children with disabilities and disadvantaged children (ages 1-18 yrs). If there is someone who is willing to sponsor her here, she could be here quickly once the paper work has been completed. She’s 45 yrs old, loves children and is very patient. Her first language is Italian and speaks fluent Spanish. She speaks good English with limited vocabulary, but she learns quickly. I’ve spend two weeks with her and just returned and her English improved a fair bit with me correcting her. She does have about 6 months of Nanny experience which she completed in the US. For those interested, I can get you together through Skype for discussion. Thank you.

  123. So our nanny just quit because she was working under the table for a Phillipines family. Thus leaving the host family that did everything by the book. Her ot paid correctly, and treated very good. Anything required was supplied. No just cause to quit and break her contract with us. My wife and I are seeking legal action to recupe the airfare and any other cost to bring her here. More protection needs to be for the sponsors that abide by the rules.

  124. Hi,

    I have been reading through the last 2 years of this blog and found it very interesting. Thanks!

    I have a question. We have now sponsored 2 nannies. Our first nanny was truly a family member, and although she has moved on to a relationship and another job we are still in touch.

    Our current nanny had many issues when she first came, but was a close friend of our first nanny and we chose to support her. Things are working better now. Unfortunately she is not always forthcoming about her plans. For instance, last year she went home to deal with some family issues at the last minute. That is only natural, but having seen it coming we initiated many conversations over several months offering support for a trip home, but requesting notice so we could arrange child care. She assured us over and over that she had no intention of going, then left with 24 hours notice. I nearly failed a residency rotation due to missed hours and we paid premium airfare to fly in a grandparent to cover. It was frustrating, since she could have had more time off at half the cost to us with a little open communication. We decided to give her the benefit of the doubt, since you can change your mind rapidly when emotions are involved, and move on.

    We suspect now that she is pregnant. This is her own decision and none of our business, other than that we need to plan ahead. I feel stuck. I can’t find anything specific regarding my obligations. Basically:

    We don’t want to breach her privacy by enquiring about pregnancy, but we need to plan ahead. We have to be ready to support any medical needs she might have. We both work long hours and our jobs are unforgiving regarding time off.

    We want to be supportive. That being said, if she is pregnant now she will deliver before she has lived in Canada for 2 years. Hopefully the father of the child would support her, but we have no idea where that leaves her paperwork and what our obligations are with respect to supporting her and the child, since we sponsored her. We think that the father is also a temporary foreign worker, but she has not told us about her boyfriend-the kids know since she spends a lot of time on the phone with him while they are walking to and from school is all.

    What are our responsibilities? We know she can collect EI, but can’t see anything about employer obligations to a live in caregiver on maternity leave.
    Do we pay her for maternity leave or does she just collect EI? I assume if she requires sick leave prior to 32 weeks that would fall under normal paid sick leave, but don’t know that part either.
    Can she keep her room while on maternity leave? This would make it impossible to hire a temporary replacement-we only have one room that fits the contract. We don’t have to turn her out if she is stuck for a place to live; we could bunk our daughter in with the boys but then she would have a smaller, non-lockable room and shared bathroom. But what are our legal responsibilities? If she lives in our home, not on the payroll, are there any government guidelines that would help us sort out room and board issues?

    After maternity leave it is unlikely that she would be able to continue the live in nanny job with a 1 year old baby, even if she wanted to live in instead of with the father (we are open to having a child live in with a caregiver and had offered to allow her now preschooler from a previous relationship to live here once sponsored, but a baby would interfere too much with the job requirements (walking to school). As well, after a 1 year maternity leave she may have qualified for landed status. Either way she is unlikely to return to work for us. We can hold the job for her, if she plans to return to it, but don’t see more than that as a reasonable expectation-we don’t know the rules though.

    Being a live in nanny is a trade off-a tough job in return for permanent residency in Canada. We want to be fair, do the right thing for her, and help her achieve landed status, but we can’t ‘parent’ our nanny. We need to plan in advance for all eventualities and would really value your input on where to get the information we need.

    Help! and thanks!

  125. I have a Phillipino nanny who has been with our family for almost 2 years. She has decided to move on after she receives her open visa. I would like to sponsor another nanny but rather than go through an agency I would like to do it myself. Is there a website or does anyone have information as to how I would tackle this on my own? What papers do I require and how would I go about it. I know I need to post my position on the government board and then go through the applicants, where do I go from there? Any help would be appreciated!

    Thank you in advance!

  126. Hi,
    I am a PR residing in Toronto. I am looking at sponsoring the nanny that used to work with us in UAE. do I need an agency or I can go through the process by myself. any idea about the fees? and will the take into consideration my bank account (to see that I can afford it) or only the Notice of Assessment from the CRA. cause last year my husband was only doing a part time job (not very well paid). I appreciate your feedback

  127. Good evening Nadine,

    You can take care of it yourself, however with all the rule changes over the past couple of years, you might find it tricky to navigate through the rules unless you have done it before.

    To answer your other question, yes, they will be looking at the notice of assessment for the past 2 years from you and your husband to ensure that you have the financial means to afford a caregiver and that you will be less likely to bring her over and release her upon arrival.

    Hope this helps!

  128. I just want to warn you guys. I had a wonderful nanny who completed her 2 years. I carried over my vacation time from the previous year and was able to take 5 weeks off in a row for my nanny to see her family in the Phillipines. Two weeks after she came back, with her new open permit, she moved out and she gave me TWO weeks notice. We verbally agreed together before she left to see her family, that she would work with us until August 29th and I would pay her $15 per hour for June, July and August. I saved up last year, so I could afford the summer and I’ve been paying her $500 per week plus Metro Pass. I treated her with nothing, but respect and kindness. I never made her clean my toilets, etc. It is very disappointing after you’ve done everything to make them happy. She lied to me when she promised me she’d stay for the summer. It hurts b/c I have no vacation time left this year b/c I took it all off for her.

    OPEN PERMIT = BEWARE EMPLOYER

    I am thankful for the 2.5 years we had with her. My son was 12 months old and now he’s 3.5 and old enough to say good-bye and not be hurt too much. She was very loving with him.

  129. Hi Serap,

    Thanks for the comment.

    You are absolutely correct that the Open Permit brings about almost certain changes when dealing with a nanny through the Live-In Caregiver Program because there is a (mis)understanding that a nanny can go from living in for minimum wage, to living out for almost double the salary (plus metro pass).

    Unfortunately, living out also means additional expenses, and a new employer in most cases. Sometimes the old adage, “better the devil you know” stands true and these nannies leave a job where they are loved by the families to work for people who see them just as employees which can be a difficult transition.

    In addition, many nannies look to the open permit as an opportunity to make more money, but they fail to properly plan for their career advancement while living in and find it difficult to take courses in the evening while working all day.

    As I blogged about previously, we made sure that we had discussions with our nanny prior to her open permit to explain her options and to make sure if she left us, it was for a better opportunity closer to her professional goals and not to go work minimum wage in say, a coffee shop.

    She’s been with us for 3 1/2 years and we regularly talk about courses she will need, and other things she can and should do in order to prepare herself for that next big step in her life.

    It’s imperative that as employers, we make sure to stop and take a pulse check at 2 years to find out where the employee is heading and what they want to be when they grow up. In addition, as employees we should encourage the nannies to bring up their career ambitions so that they know if their employers are going to support them or replace them once their open permit comes up.

  130. Hi

    I am a qualified care giver (elderly) from UK and completed my health and social care Level 3 from city and guilds UK. I have two years of relevant experience. Presently I am in India and looking for employer who can hire me. Please contact me on smilee@live.co.uk

    Regards
    Monica

  131. Thanks Urban Daddy,

    I did that pulse check at 2 years and N. told me that she wished to become a live-out caregiver and I in turn offered for her to live with us as long as she needed to (rent free) to get her feet on the ground and get her new life started.

    She opted to move out and we respected that decsion. What hurts is that she lied to me when she said she would work until the end of August. The quit TWO WEEKS after returning from a 5 week vacation. That is so unethical in my opinion.

    I need to forgive and forget, but it’s hard. We just hired a college student to work with us for the summer. She has great references and we performed a full background check on her (including looking at her Facebook account). I am now having a hard time having faith and I am constantly in fear that our summer student will quit. It’s a horrible place to be.

    The changes to the live-in program are very unfair to employers. The daycare crisis is only going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

  132. My brother is in canada and wants to sponsor me with family from pakistan? Do i need any language test,as i can comunicat with my mother in urdu language.Do i need any training certificate as caregiver? I have ben wokng for my mother for one year without pay. i have small kids and cant leave them alone in home country. My mother is also very attached with them and wants to bring them to canada with me. Is it possible?\
    Can i go to canada with my mother because she is going after two monthes?
    How long this process will take time? please reply me as soon as possible.thanx and waiting.
    saba

  133. Im a live-in caregiver.. And i have completed the two year contract with only one employer. I already got my open permit and very eager to try and apply to new jobs now. Im still working and living in with this family. I still abt to apply my permanent residency and so is sponsorship with my family. My question is.. If i change my job, will it affect the application? Should i still stay working in this kind of job to be able to sponsor my kids and husband? Or is it ok to get new job and then apply their sponsorship? Bcoz i am really confused… :(

  134. Hello again! I love the information available on here. I have commented on how I prefer a male Caregiver due to my particular circumstances.

    My first Caregiver, 5 years ago is a wonderful man. He still lives with us, and is like a member of the family. After he received his Open Work permit, he began working at a different job, but remains living with us. He is welcome to stay until his wife and child come over.

    My second Caregiver, also a male has also been wonderful. Having both here is so much fun sometimes.

    My dilemma now is: the second Caregiver’s contract is almost up, then he will apply for his Open Work permit. At that time we will encourage him to have a better paying job as he also wishes to bring his wife and children over.

    Both are Filipino.

    I will soon be looking for another male caregiver, preferably Filipino.

    My question is, can I legally advertise that I only want a male? And preferably Filipino? Or do I advertise for a Caregiver, then sift through to pick the one I want?

    This seems like such a waste of peoples time and hopes if they apply and I know its not what I am looking for.

    Diane

  135. Hi, Do you think I can find a live in or out maid/ nanny to work for me 6 to 7 hours a day for 2000$ ?

  136. Certainly. If you sponsor a Live in nanny, it means a two year contract with you stating you will pay at least minimum wage, 40 hours a week, for the two years. In BC the minimum wage is $10.25, so $1640.00 per month. On top of that you have to pay your share of EI, holiday pay, and compensation etc. which will still be less than $2000.
    It will take 6* months to do the paperwork to bring her here, plus you have to pay for the flight from wherever they are now. You also have to pay temporary medical until they qualify.

    Even with all this, it will average just under the $2000 mark.

  137. Thanks Diane. I meant someone already in the country as I am arriving next week and I have 2 kids. I will have too many things to do the first few months so I wanted to recruit someone internally. do you think I can get one for 2000$ even if it is not full day. I don’t mind live in or out.

  138. To recruit someone already in Canada, under the Live in program, you still have to first apply for an LMO (labour Market Opinion) from the government. This can take 3 months. Under this program the pay is usually minimum wage ($10.25 here).

    If looking more for a nanny, maid living out and driving to your home….the going wage is between $18 and $25 per hour.

  139. in Mississauga. Erin Mills or Streetsville. I have 2 kids one of them will be going to nursery and the 16 months old will be with me. but since I will be doing a part time job mostly from home I prefer to have someone to be with us for 8 hours a day. I will have a big house so I can give her accommodation if need it. but I can’t pay more than 2000CAD

  140. Thanks for answering the posts, and allowing others to do the same. Really appreciate it!

  141. Hello…this blog is very interesting…im Irish may from PHilippines…I have a relative there in canada and she promised m that she will find an employer for me to apply the live in caregiver peogram so that i dont have to shoulder the expenses…how many months should i wait and as a live in caregiver i read that a nanny should have experience…i dont have experience in taking care of others baby but i have my own 3 yrs old daughter…is this enough for m to get hired?thnx and hope you can answer my questions

  142. I am Canadian citizen and I am 8 months pregnent and I cannot work and im not eligible for EI so Can i apply for Ontario work and If i already sponsor my spouse does it really effect on my case?

  143. Taking care of your child certainly is experience and the best kind of experience, however, there are a lot of requirements including the completion of 72 units, the completion of the live-in caregiver program, plus the completion of tests and exams and an interview at the Canadian consulate.

    If, however, you were working in Hong Kong for one year, then you could apply without taking these tests / classes.

    Get registered and good luck!

  144. hello there, I am so confused about the new rules stated April 1 2011, I came here November 19, 2011 my employer release me, because when she hired me she only have one kid, because the processing in the Philippines takes too long she waited for almost 2 years before I came here, so when I came here she is pregnant for the second baby, so she talked to me, that she cant afford to pay me because she’s having an EI, I understand her very well, but I need to move on because I have family in the Philippines to support so I decided to find another job..to make the story short I found a job, I started working with them and got the work permit was April 3, 2011, but then sad to say, too much work, too much hour..I worked for that employer for almost 6 months. so I decided to find another job again. I received my work permit last March 22, 2013 until now..my question is can I add my previous work to apply for an open work permit? and what if I finished my program, and apply for an open work permit, if Gods will, for less than three years, do I still need to go home in the Philippines, to wait for my permanent resident or can I stay here to work and save money because I am planning to get my family here. in my understanding, from the April 1, 2011 we are not allowed to stay here if we going to finished the 4 years staying here .will u please explain it to me thank u so much and God Bless

  145. Hi Rowena,

    Before I answer, or someone else chimes in with a comment, I wanted to confirm something first.

    You started working April 3, 2011 – and by working, I mean your employer had sponsored you and they were remitting payroll deductions to the government (Canada Revenue Agency). You worked there 6 months, and then did not work again until March 22, 2013 and you’ve been working ever since?

    That would mean that you have almost one full year of time towards the program, and you have been in Canada for just over 2 years.

    If that is the case you still have time to get the rest of the requirements for the program and hopefully you will get your open permit while you are still in the country. You will need to be working, sponsored, until you receive your open permit, however.

    Does anyone else care to comment?

  146. hello there, thank u for the quick response, but my question is can I add my 6 months from my previous work when I am going to apply for an open permit to complete the 24 months or 3900 hours?tnx

  147. I got my work permit April 3, 2012, and end up my work there September 28,2012, by then I start looking again for another job as caregiver and I got my work permit March 22, 2013

  148. Hello UD,

    Can you advise 3 good agencies to help process a live-in care giver from outside of Canada? We live in Edmonton, thank you for your time.

    ED

  149. Hi,
    I am not sure if the topic applies to this site but in our situation we would like to know what can be done if someone would like to hire their own mom/ relative to be a live-in nanny? As we will be having 2 kids next year and the sponsorship process for family members takes about 3+ years, we were going to try to bring our moms as live in nannies while their application is being processed. Of course we would pay them a salary, provide rent, etc. the only difference would be that they would not be a stranger, but our relatives. Is there any other option? Your help is much appreciated. Thanks.

  150. Hi there. The link provided for the new requirements has been removed. We are planning to hire a nanny and I’m at my wits end filling up the Employer/Employee contract. Questions such as days of sick leave per year (paid/unpaid), number of health breaks (in minutes-paid/unpaid) I coudn’t seem to find a guide what to write on. I was also under the Caregiver Program before but there was never a time I got paid when I was sick nor ever had a health break whatsoever. I don’t even remember seeing these questions when I signed my contract with my employer back then…. I’m just wondering if you would know if I can just leave these questions blank or probably write NA (Not Applicable)?

    Thanks a lot!

    Judy

  151. Hi Urban Daddy,

    Congratulations are in order for the sheer length and overwhelming response of this entry =) It has been most helpful =)

    To take advantage of your public service, i do have a few questions:..

    Well, my family and I will make the move to Ontario as Provincial nominees once our PR has been approved which I expect to be on Q1 of 2014.

    While my husband looks for a job in Ontario, I, my son, I and our current nanny will stay with family in Chicago for the meantime as we don’t want to be a burden to my husband’s family in Ontario.

    1) Would you know if it’s possible to apply for a live in caregiver for my current nanny while in the US? My nanny will be on a what they call a temporary business visa, as essentially the US trip is in performance of her duties as a nanny.

    2) And Would you happen to know what is the current processing time for application of the Live in caregiver visa? I’ve checked the CIC website and it says 36mos (regardless of visa office), is that true in practice?

    3) Since our nanny’s been with us for 2 years, am i exempted from advertising the need for a nanny since we already have one?

    4) We won’t have a Notice of Assessment from the CRA yet as we would be new migrants in Canada, will an offer of employment suffice to prove financial ability?

    Thanks a lot in advance urban daddy. God Bless you and your blog =)

    elanie

  152. hi UD,

    My live-in caregiver received a letter from the immigration visa officer estating that

    ” I am not satisfied that your employer was able to demonstrate sufficient financial ability to pay a caregiver the wage as indicated in the employment contract..

    My question is can we make an appeal to give a new contract to meets the needs of the immigration visa officer in the philippines rather than going back through the long process?

    If you have a suggestions please help us, thank you in advance or if there is a better contract that you can show it to us on how to improve the employment Contract.

    Sincerly,
    Alberta Employer

  153. Hi there i juz wanna consulty problem hoping if u could help me..i cant apply for permanent resident coz my employer doesnt wanna sign my declaration of hours..what can i do with that..i work as a livein caregiver and planning to use option 2..thank you

  154. The Urban Daddy. you are a Super-Blogger.

    I predict that very soon your website will be famous amid all its blogging viewers, due to it’s good posts, longevity and expertise.

    Sit tight… It’s coming.

  155. We hired a foreign trained nurse, because my friend owned an agency in Toronto that deals with local nurses and psw. So she was able to help me with the hiring process of finding a qualified nurse. It is really expensive to hire a nurse or psw to come to your house to help out in Canada, so we decided to hire someone with a nursing background for my mom and dad. The agency helped me and found me an amazing caregiver. We are happy with her and she is very loving to my parents, but my sister has decided that she might want to stay home with my parents and be there for them and we though that why not, it will be nicer for our parents if we agreed to this. Unfortunately, we have this amazing caregiver who will need to be let go. Because she has a nursing background we wanted to encourage her to write the nursing exam here in Canada and be a nurse, since other parts of Canada still need nurses. My question is that could we encourage her to write the nursing exam (she can work for us still – as my sister has not yet made a final decision) so that she can apply as a job as a nurse here (we think she may still be qualified because she came here straight from a nursing background). She is an amazing nurse and her bedside manner is impeccable. We are really lucky to have her and we think that she will be an asset in the nursing industry and would like to support her if we can. My girlfriend who owns the agency said that if she gets her license then she will refer her to hospitals who may want to hire her and sponsor her. Do you know of any rules that will prevent her from switching fields from Nanny to Nurse if she gets sponsorship… I just do not want to tell her until I do some research so that she is not disappointed.

    Thanks

  156. Hello,Good morning to you! I just want to ask if i have a chance to work with my cousin there in Canada.I am currently working here in Hong Kong for 16 years now.My cousin in Ontario is planning to hire me as a nanny,and she is due on January.But the problem is I was only 1 year in college and didn’t have 72 units.My cousin wants me so badly that she doesn’t want to hire anyone but me.I really want to work in Canada as well.Is there a chance for me to work in Canada? Especially with her! I will warmly appreciate your advice.Thank you very much! God Bless you!!!!

  157. hello, I am planning to have a vacation in the Philippines but the thing is, my program for the live-in caregiver is not yet complete which is the 24 month..is it possible for me to have a vacation…

    one thing more is how can I renew my visa because its already expired and what should I need (papers) so that I can come back smoothly without any hassles..do I need to have a letter from my employer letting me to have a vacation and come back…

    lastly is there any circumstances that the employer can call to the immigration and says that they don’t need me anymore..so I will be stock in the Philippines which I don’t want to happen, I just want to visit my daughters and family.. that’s what I am scared sometimes.. what I want is a vacation..

    please do help me, God bless u..

  158. Wouldn’t it be cool if no one exploited foreign workers and employers just increased their wages, saved money on airfare, accommodations, etc. and hired locally? My daughter is a nanny, but she is over looked because she expect $14.00/hour while employers pay foreign nannies minimum wage and work them plenty of unpaid overtime. I think we need to give ‘our’ low income earners a chance to make a decent living and no more underpaying foreign workers?

  159. Hello Wendy.

    YES!

    I agree.

    There is a fine line between completing your work and being taken advantage of. This hold true no matter what line of work. Remember the Canadian bank that expected workers to work unpaid overtime… There was a court case and they lost. In my opinion any management group / employer who feels this is justified has lost touch with what its like to be on the other side.
    Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone

  160. Hello Urban Daddy,

    It’s been genuinely uplifting to come here and read about people who have had positive experiences with their caregivers and vice versa. I’m a university student and I’ve actually just finished a paper about the history of the Live-in Caregiver Program and Filipino caregivers.

    I’m disappointed that none of the literature I read, including the Government’s websites, mentioned the ways that workers can, and do, exploit their employers. Considering the number of people posting here with complaints about employee fraud you would think the government and organizations would make it a larger priority to protect employers!

    The researches and advocacy groups I read on only talked about how living with the employer helps make households potential sites of: harassment (including sexual abuse), over-working without pay, restrictions on leaving their workplace at will, mistrust from their employers, denial of privacy and security (if employers don`t provide a lock for their employees`s rooms, which must be private rooms anyways), denial of socialization, a false sense of “family” which the employer may only bring up when requesting favours of the employee, among other issues.

    I’m not suggesting that everyone here abuses their caregivers! But it’s the few that do that make a bad name and draw attention to issues for these workers – and yes I`m aware that the opposite can apply as well about coworkers.

    I don`t claim to be an authority on this matter (I’ve never hired a nanny!) but all I`m suggesting is that people should consider that government changes attempt to prevent workers from becoming victims. Historically, they’ve been the most vulnerable.

    Finally, apologies for making such a long post! Great site you have going here, and it’s wicked to see that you’ve been responding to questions regularly for well over 2 years now.

    Cheers

  161. hi..i would like to ask how long it will take for a foreign nanny (philippines) to be an immigrant in canada?
    thanks..

  162. After three months, my nanny found another employer that would pay her better. How do I released her. Will this give me a bad record since she didn’t finish her work contract of two years?

  163. Hello Anna,

    Not at all. This does not reflect poorly on you or on her. Think of it like you working for an employer and taking another opportunity for more money. So long as it was done properly, you don’t have to release her, but if she needs sponsoring, her new employer will need to sponsor her and can have you removed as well.

    If you want to, you can call what was HRSDC (now ERDC) and tell them you are no longer is being sponsored by you.

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers

  164. Hi there Nechki,

    Sorry I missed this question.

    It all depends on how prepared they are for the Canadian Live-In Caregiver program, and then if they are able to find sponsorship in Canada. Once in Canada there is a requirement to work 2 full years in the program over 4 years and if that happens without any problems, the permanent residence can take any where from a year to 2 years.

    This, of course is considering that everything runs smoothly.

    Hope this helps!

    Warren

  165. Thank you Urban Daddy. I took your advice and the contact proved to be a blessing in disguise. Just last week she wanted a raise and I wanted to give her more money and I wanted some stuff done and she taught our kids to do the things she didn’t want to do, so we sat and re-wrote the contract together. It was like a mini-performance review.

    Awesome.

    Ever thought of running for Mayor of Toronto? LOL

  166. My wife and I have gone through the process of hiring an overseas nanny through an Agency. The process has taken close to a year and we just received news that our nanny has been issued a visa and can be arriving in about a month. Our current nanny ( local and live out) is amazing and we want her to stay.
    Is there any way to transfer the LMO to another parent looking to hire an overseas nanny and recoup some of the agency costs?
    Thanks in advance for your help.

  167. Hello GTA DAD,

    A very common problem and one of the most unfortunate parts of the Live-in Caregiver program occurs when a nanny is sponsored from overseas and in the time it takes for her to receive clearance and actually get on that plane families find that their temporary nanny is just perfect (better the devil you know). As a result, many nannies are released upon entry to Canada and thus have to find their own employers or worse – are stuck at the airport of a foreign country with nowhere to go – not knowing a single person.

    That you wish to seek another employer for her is commendable and it’s also what many employers have to do (we’ve done it twice, actually).

    In that scenario, the family who wants to hire your nanny must also apply through service Canada – be interviewed, set up a BN number, etc., and once okay you can determine with them if it’s most cost effective to pay you back some money or go through an agency themselves.

    Since the process on the Canadian side is far from easy, most situations like this get resolved in one of 2 ways;

    First, you find an employer for her, and that employer hires an agency to complete the paperwork and then because she is already here, you find a common price to offset the expenses of bringing her over.

    Or secondly, you find a family who is already approved and she works for them.

    The only caveat here – and it’s a big one – is that the program does not allow for transactions like this. When applying for the program you have to first prove through advertising that you were unable to fill the position here in Canada and then you are able to seek overseas applicants. So to have someone here already goes against the literal terms of the program.

    But it’s that, or leaving someone at the airport which would be simply horrible.

    Best of luck in working this out, there are some local resources, like the Pink and Blue message board on Facebook and other local groups which would assist in finding an employer for the nanny.

    Now that I think about it, you could always advise her that you have found someone else and she should stay put. There is always that option but you do not get a chance to recover fees in that case.

    Hope this helps!

  168. Hello, I want to hire a live in caregiver from overseas. The CIC sent an email to the person I want to hire that I need to provide a Mulitiple Listing services or residential appraisal report as an employer to prove that I have the ability to give her a private accommodation. The problem is we are just renting 2 bedroom suite and we don’t own it. We are just living in the ground floor and it is part of the Landlord’s house. I really don’t know what to do. I don’t think I can provide the CIC what they are asking for. They only give me 45 days to submit the documents they want. What else can I give the CIC to prove that I have the ability to provide private accommodation? Please any advice or thought would be appreciated.

  169. Hi i am a live in caregiver I just new in here. After two months my employer took me where ever she goes with his son. During my day off I need to go home early cause we need to live in the afternoon. Always like this. I don’t enjoy my day off cause I am thinking of going home early at 3pm. My question is do I have the right to demand extra payment for it.I feed there son cause she’s busy driving. Thank you

  170. Hello Jermaine,

    Hopefully you have a contract with your employer and that contract outlines when you work, what hours you work, what you are being paid to do, and what the employer is required to pay you for – like working overtime.

    If your employer wants you to be available on the weekend then they need to pay you for it.

    Now here is where it gets a little tricky…

    If you go to your employer and ask for payments for the extra time you are working, they may fire you. Under a contract, or if you came to Canada through the Live-In Caregiver program for example, you have to be treated the same as any other employee and you are entitled to notice, or pay instead of notice.

    If your employer has a job and her boss suddenly fired her, she would expect to be paid for the time she worked. Same applies to you.

    The best way to start the conversation to see what she is thinking is to tell her that in addition to the full week you work, you are finding that working on the weekend is too much and you’re exhausted.

    Tell her that you need more money and that since you’re working extra hours for her for free on the weekend you want to get a part-time job to help with the finances.

    OR…

    Report her to the labour board or the government (Service Canada or HRSDC Canada).

    It’s not allowed and not cool.

    Hope this helps!

  171. Hi Urban Daddy!

    I am working as food counter attendant and I am about to finish my contract. Is it possible to change my work as live in nanny? I got no certificates but I only have 2 kids which was my best experience. Thank you.

  172. Hi Melay,

    Are you in Canada already?

    I would say probably not through the live-in caregiver program unless you came here already under the program and have satisfied all the requirements,

    What is your legal status right now?

  173. Hi..can I just ask if there’s any other way I can practice my profession here in canada as a medical technologist?? Uhmm, as u you can see I’m under the program of live-in caregiver and I know I couldn’t have any other job Until my open visa is release which must be 2 years from now..The thing is I’m planning to apply as a med tech if I’m all done with my contract. Do you think I need to study again in order to practice med tech here? Please let me know what’s the best thing to do..

  174. Hi there,

    Unfortunately you can only pursue another career once you have fulfilled your requirements and received your Canadian citizenship as I believe you need the citizenship in order to take accredited courses towards a degree / diploma.

    If you want to work in a different field, you just need your open permit – meaning you have completed all your requirements and it has been accepted by the government.

    Hope this helps!

  175. hi there, I am a live-in-caregiver under the program of LCP and I am planning to have my vacation in my country, my question is, is there any chance or possibility that your employer will call the immigration and tell them that they don’t need a caregiver anymore because of some reasons while you are in vacation and of course you gonna stuck in your country that’s why I am so worried about this matter. Because I do have a friend that when she had a vacation, I just heard the news that she cant come back here anymore maybe because there is something wrong or incomplete requirements that she don’t have or maybe the employer called the immigration, that’s why I am so worried and scared, my employer and me have a good relationship though, but still my subs consciousness still linger in my mind.. what should I do..by the way I am still on the sponsorship program, not yet finish the 24months or the 3900 hours and what should I bring for me to be safe and come back here as soon as my vacations over.. thank you and more power…

  176. Hi, I have one kid. I just want to know can I apply to my sister for nanny from India. My sister is working as a nurse over there.

  177. I am live in caregiver in Canada for a year. My employer agreed to let my 14 year old son come and live with me in their house, but I don’t have money to pay international student tuition fee for him to attend public high scool. Is there way to have him attend school without pqying international student fee while I am still on working visa as live in caregiver. I live in Ontario and plan to apply for permanent resident as soon as I finish my two years working as live in caregiver. Thank you for help.

  178. REGARDING EDUCATION.
    I work as an administrator for a Ministry Registered Private Career College. I read that if you are a temporary foreign worker, you can go to school as long as it is 6 months and under and it does not interfere with your employer’s need of you. Your Employer’s needs must always be met first.

    REGARDING INTERNATION FEES
    I was told by my associate, who would know that answer to this topic, that unless you have an immigrant or residence status, you are unable to use our school system. And if you do decide in sending your child to school prior to you receiving your residency or immigration status, then they will be considered as a foreign student and must pay international fees.

  179. Hello Gagan,

    If you are in Canada and wish to bring over a relative who is not eligible for the Live-in caregiver Program then you would need to apply through normal ways via Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

    The Live-in Caregiver Program has very stringent rules and regulations in place to ensure that, after failing to find local nannies, you are able to sponsor and bring in a caregiver, and the risk of trying to circumvent the rules in order to bring over a family member is that if caught, your sister would be forced to leave Canada and you would not longer be allowed to participate in this program.

    I recommend that you look at the requirements very closely to see if your sister qualifies, and if she does from a Canadian side, then have her apply while in India. If she is deemed qualified from the Canadian perspective, then it’s just a matter of working through the interview process to qualify her.

    From there, the program does the rest.

    Hope this helps!

  180. Dear Urban Daddy, I would appreciate it if you could give me your opinion on my situation. I have been a live-in nanny (LCP) soon as i arrived in toronto since December 2010 but i stopped working because i gave birth around June 2012. I went back to work around May 2013 til present but as a live-out nanny to care for my own child. My employer and I had an arrangement that they can deduct room and board even though i do not live with them so that i could still stay in LCP. My problem is that, i had a fight with somebody who knew this arrangement and threatened me to report me and my employer in the immigration. How will that hold up? Can my permanent residency application be affected by this report?

  181. I stumbled upon this blog looking for support from other employers of live in caregivers who are being victimized by their caregiver. Much is available on the flip side but the employers side also begs to be told.

    I am tired of reading about the abuses caregivers claim to receive by their employers. I cannot imagine the type of individual that would be abusive to someone they entrust to take care of their loved one whether a child or an elderly parent. It is my experience that caregivers in the program are fully aware of their rights.

    I hired a caregiver to care for an elderly parent. I have had great experience until the most recent caregiver. When it was disclosed that the caregiver was being physically and mentally abusive, charges were laid, yet justice was not served. My greatest regret was not installing a nanny cam as the case became one of “he said/she said”. Even though cited on the RCMP website that “The strongest indicator that an elderly person is being abused is that he or she will tell someone.” This is mere lip service. The courts are not willing or able to mete out the appropriate justice.

    Now in retaliation, the caregiver is fraudulently padding a timesheet that claims bogus overtime. I know I can prove this bogus claim but it will come at a significant cost to me. Justice is only served to the rich who can afford court fees or the poor who qualify for legal aid.

    Our government is not protecting the employer under the LCP. We employers are not a business in which profits are earned. On the contrary, I have saved the government thousands of my salary dollars by keeping my parent out of the system who qualifies for community access to care.

    Employers who have been victimized by caregivers must unite to get our government to change the program and the abuses of the program. Class action lawsuit perhaps?

    We need the other side told. Please share your stories. I plan to lobby for change and there is always strength in numbers.

  182. Hi Urbandaddy.

    I am looking to hire a live in caregiver (first time) for my 5-mo old daughter & was just wondering if do you need to be a homeowner to hire a live in caregiver?

    My husband and I are currently living in a one bedroom apt but would be moving to a 2 bedroom fourplex before so she will have her own room before the nanny arrives.

    I wonder if that is a roadblock for us.
    Thank you for the information.

  183. Hi,

    I need your help. I want to sponsor my nanny (who used to work with us back home). she is from Ethiopia and she lives in Dubai. any idea if she needs minimum education and what atre the requirements and skills required from her side and from our side. We are renting a big house but last yer we did not income. My husband now has a very good well paid job. will we be able to submit payslip instead of last notice of assessment ?

    Thanks in advance

  184. Hello Nadine,

    As far as I can remember, the website outlining the requirements for the Live-in caregiver program have a certain standard for education which must be met in order to hire an applicant through that program.

    I know if you contact the government they will be able to let you know for sure and I am almost certain that the website has a link for people wanting to apply through the program to check their requirements and see if they qualify or if they do not, what they need to get in order to qualify.

    As for the income, I can say that while a Notice of Assessment (NOA) is required, the government is open to other proof of income (for example if you did not have to work because you were super-rich).

    Good luck gathering that information, and keep us all posted if you get answers or have any other questions!

    Regards,

    Warren

  185. Hi, I am in Canada and I have interviewed a nanny who will start with me next week. She is a PR already so she doesn’t need sponsoring. Can anyone help me with some details on how to pay her and how to claim the taxes ? I have 2 kids under 6 what will I be eligible in tax returns ? any help is appreciated.

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  187. Hi Nadine,

    That is actually part of what I do for a living.

    Send me an email to intaxicatingtaxservices@gmail.com with the province you are in, the amount you plan on paying her gross, or net, and whether or not you have already registered for a BN number from the CRA and I can get you started. If you need more – like having it done for you, we can always talk about that too.

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